Thanks to everyone who has replied. Its been helpful, as you guys are the experienced ones so I will believe what you tell me before a recruiter
My friend who drives City for an LTL carrier is not much help with OTR questions because he has never done it. But He tells me that most of their drivers also never did OTR. Many started working the docks, and were given the opportunity to learn. Some went and got their CDL on their own while working the Docks, and then were given driving jobs in due time. I swear we must have at least a dozen LTL carriers one right after the other here in Cleveland, across from a Huge Rail terminal, and also across from Hopkins National Airport. Just seems like a lot of freight moves to and from here. Most of these terminals do not see freight passing through, as Cleveland dead ends on Lake Erie. It just seems like these terminals are here to service local manufacturing, customers, etc, and are end terminals, so they are a little smaller. So there seems to be a lot of local jobs picking up and delivering to customers here in Cleveland. This is what my friend tells me anyways. And they all pay very good, even the non union jobs advertise excellent pay.
By the way, the school explained about the companies they place for. They have the usual OTR companies, Roehl, Falcon, etc. They had some local driving opportunities which stated 0-6 months of experience. Driving freight out of Cleveland and delivering to terminals across state lines. 3rd Shift work, says drive all night, be back in the mid a.m hours. Go home, and come back again the next night 8pm to do it all over again.
Its the dam cost that bothering me. Its a risk. I have the money saved aside, but I don't want to spend it unless I am sure I can find a job. I am not opposed to Regional runs if that gets you home on weekends. I can stay out for a week at a time, I realize you have to make some sacrifices.
Truth about home time? Newbie question
Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Thinking about driving?, Apr 3, 2008.
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BTW, forgot to ask. When you OTR guys get home, how long are you at home ? Do you get at least 2 full days, or possibly 3 to spend with your families?
The reason I ask, I once met an Owner Operator years ago, was talking, and he tells me that in a full calendar year, he has been home 5 days ! Yes, just 5 days out of a full year. I think I remember him telling me he had a wife and kid's but cant remember. I could never do that, would miss the wife and home too much. To each to own.
Just to mention of interest, I hold a Merchant Mariners Credential Document ( Document from US Coast guard). Being on lake Erie, there are a lot of Marine Shipping companies here. I am also looking into that, but its next to impossible to get a job unless you know someone. Most go through the Union, and there is a LONG waiting list. Pay is excellent, you stay out away from home usually 60 days but can get up to 30 full days off in some cases. Plus they take apprx 2 months off in the winter due to the Lakes freezing, and still manage to make a substantial income. I say this, to let folks know that I am willing to sacrifice being away from home AS LONG as I get decent home time in return. 60 days for 30 days off is pretty good so I would be willing to make that kind of a sacrifice. Ofcourse, its a different industry. -
Home time all depends on the company and they are all different. For a newbie it could be anywhere from 1 1/2 to 3 depending on the company and and how long they keep you out. If you are serious about driving then all I can say is RESEARCH, RESEARCH and RESEARCH!
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First off. The school doesn't place you with anyone...period.
Recruiters are trolling the schools (all of them) for potential drivers/employees.
Here is what they don't tell you.
Most OTR companies want you to stay out 10-14 days BEFORE you ask for time off. Then you get 1 day off for every 7 out. Very few companies offer more.
If you have 2 days on the books, and take 3. You OWE the company a day. Now you will have to wait 21 days to ask for hometime.
Holidays? Yes, you get paid for them. But you DO NOT get a day off with pay like the rest of the world. The exception being Christmas.
You can get a local job, without the school. Work the docks, and work yourself into a driver position. You'll most likely be working docks to begin with, if local is a must have job. Even if you attend school first. -
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Trust me, I am bummed, because I have apps in for mariner jobs, and no one has called me yet. But there season runs March through December on the lakes, so its just starting. I am looking into trucking as well due to how difficult it is breaking into the maritime industry. -
Before you spend that money on school try this. Apply at Coke, Pepsi, UPS, Fedex, Beer and/or alcohol distributers, and food distributors. I learned that these places will train you for your CDL if they like you. You will have some time on the docks first. If you are that concerned about home time than DON'T spend $5000 just for the CDL-A.
If you are willing to put in at least a year in driving OTR then you can start looking local but good luck there.
I was in your shoes about five years ago. Was talking to a cdl mill and they told me a bunch of fluff so I would enroll. I didn't do that then because of what I already knew. Just didn't want to believe it.
Some time later I did two years of research, talked to my OTR friends and then had a long discussion with my wife and myself. (Yes I talk to myself.) My wife moved her schedule and we decided that the money would be worth it to try. So I finally made the plunge. Most places will either twist the truth a little saying things like "home every 14 days" etc. or will raise a red flag if you enter the interview already overly concerned about hometime. -
or better yet Flat Bad companies running regional where you could get home every weekend and even during the week sometimes. Is this true?
My brother-in-law drives for Maverik. He gets home every week-end and sometimes during the week. But, the big BUT, he has been driving for many years. I am not positive on this, check with other drivers, but I think some of these companies that get you home on week-ends wants experienced drivers. My brother-in-law told me they want 2 years experience because of insurance. So you would probably have to be in the field for a couple of years before you would be able to land a regional job. But, the big BUT, they are out there. -
If you are interested in flatbeds, then you may want to check out McElroy. They came to our school once and they have it set up to get you home every weekend guaranteed. And they have a contract you sign with them that says if they don't get you home on the weekend they will pay you $100! So even if you do miss your weekend you still get something extra for it. I did not hear back form them in time and I already told Maverick I'd frive for them. But McElroy sounds like a good company but they run mostly Southern Regional I think. Also, I went to a small 8 week school in Oak Ridge, TN just down the road from the house and the tuition was $2000. However, I went through the county unemployment agency(Career Center) and based on income the state paid for 1/2 plus they gave me personally $400 to help with bills and such while going through school. I hope this will help some people out. Stay Safe.
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Bob - there is a truism in industry - ANY industry.
Recruiters are liars. It's their job to get you in the door get your signature on the line.
Ok, generally they *technically* don't lie - but they lead you down the garden path and let you THINK you are getting something, when odds are that only a very very few drivers get anything like what the recruiter is describing.
Instead, call a number of the trucking companies in the area, ask THEM what they think of the school. Call the county WIA administrator (part of the unemployment group here, dunno about where you are) and see what kind of standing the school has with them.
When it comes to looking for a company to work for, don't listen to the recruiters (except when they mention verifiable facts). See if you can dig up their business profile - something that shows number of employees, age of trucks, turnover, etc. Call them directly (or email) and ask questions.
Ask about policies that matter to you (I won't drive without one of my dogs along - so places where pets are verbotten are immediately scratched off my list). Policies are black and white.
Ask about *average* times to get things done. What's the average time a rookie has to spend in OTR before he can ask to move to another division? What's the average wait time between the application for the new division job and actually moving over? That sort of thing. Then, keep it firmly in mind that these are AVERAGES or approximations. Unless they commit to it in writing, there's absolutely no guarantee you'll be making that move in that amount of time.
Don't make the mistake of equating big with good, either. My personal opinion is quite the opposite. I think you are more likely to find a good company (as in, one that suites YOUR needs and wants) in the middle to small range. Of course, that's just how I see things.
Check the pricing on other schools, too. I'd recommend the HECK out of the school I'm currently attending, but they don't seem to have a campus anywhere in Ohio. They have a number in Indiana and Pennsylvania..but I don't think that helps a lot.
You get the idea, I'm sure. Do your own research. The internet and the public library are incredibly powerful tools. Recruiters take advantage of the fact that most of us are... well, too lazy to bother.
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