Two logs. How to?

He isn't talking about a audit from the IRS,he is referring to a audit from the DOT.The IRS could care less about how many logs you run.

 

I also want to point something about this topic out to the new drivers who might be running paper logs. If you see your going to bust the 14 hour or 11 hour clock and can not avoid it, please don't panic and do something dumb like falsifying the log! Please, your better off just logging the violation and putting in the remarks why. Most safety depts are OK with it provided you don't do it all the time. I did it twice in 30 days. I called safety and told them why. Nothing was ever said to me. If you are ever in an accident situation and that false log is discovered your dead in the water. However if the HOS violation is logged and you afterward got a proper rest it should not become an issue. NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER turn in a false log!

 

Be mindful of when you fuel. Sometimes it's best to fuel on one day but other times it could be best to wait till after midnight so you can log it anytime the following day. You don't need to avoid all scales, just if it would mess you up to be put in the system. You don't need to run two books, just be smart with the one you have.

 

And paying with cash helps a bunch...... Again, it's a matter of knowing the constraints and figuring out how to work within the constraints.

Safely.

 

The time you spend driving must be logged on line 3, whether you are driving company A's truck or company B's truck, you are still driving and BOTH logs need to reflect that. Why? Because you cannot drive more than 11 hours. Suppose you work a 7 hour shift for each carrier. You cannot legally drive 6.5 of those hours during each shift...a feat you could do if you illegally logged company A's driving time on company B's line 4 and vice versa. Your graph needs to be identical, because it is how YOU spent YOUR time, and only the company name & address can differ, as EACH company is required to receive an original log sheet from you.

And no, you would NOT be "legal" to claim the 100 air-mile radius exception if you worked a pair of 7 hour shifts, because YOU worked more than 12 hours.

The RODS reflects how the DRIVER spent his time. If you don't believe me on this, you could always open up that little green book and read the regulations...it's all in there. The only time a 2nd job would get logged exclusively on line 4 is if it were a NON-driving job (i.e. flipping burgers). If you drive a CMV @ your second job, your drive time on ALL of your logs needs to be on line 3.

 

I suppose you're right, but I haven't heard of too many places that are happy with a driver splitting a shift with another trucking company, so I didn't imagine that as a possibility.

 

I see all the hints here of how to falsify a log book, but everyone suggesting them is forgetting one important fact. There is tracking in every cell phone. It doesn't even need to be used to place a call. It logs each time you switch to a different local antenna. If you are involved in a serious accident the very first thing that the accident investigators will do is pull your cell records and compare them to your log books. Even if not at fault in the accident, if there is any serious differences, you are gonna get charged with vehicular homicide or manslaughter.

 

I don't know where you drive, but with most carriers you can't log fuel stops like that. All the large and middle size carriers use their comdata or other fuel card data and verifies it to your log. You must be within 15 minutes or it will flag. Now according to the Regulatory guidance of § 395.8:. There is no rule mandating fuel stops be logged as fuel stops, but every carrier I know of require the change of duty be logged and fuel put in the remarks section.


Question 23: When the driver’s duty status changes, do §§395.8(c) or 395.8(h)(5) require a description of on-duty not driving activities (“fueling,” “pre-trip,” “loading,” “unloading,”, etc.) in the remarks section in addition to the name of the nearest city, town or village followed by the State abbreviation?

Guidance: No. Many motor carriers require drivers to identify work performed during a change of duty status. Part 395 neither requires nor prohibits this practice.

 

He asked about appearing legal if stopped on the road. I doubt a scale house is going to subpoena fuel card data during a roadside inspection. Whatever happens after that is between him and his company.

 

my old employer had a safety director who was an inspector at the Anthony, NM port of entry. One night they pulled a driver who looked dead on his feet for a level 1. He walked up to the driver and asked for his permit book and log book. Dazed the driver handed him his log and permit book. Then he asked for his OTHER log book and the driver handed him his other log book without even hesitating. Needless to say he got put OOS.

 

You may cradle it however you desire. In the end it is still misinformation and should not be posted in these forums.