Unprofitable O/O - Canadian

Discussion in 'Freight Broker Forum' started by haider99, Mar 19, 2014.

  1. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    I don't think it's the weather. Shoot how long has it been going on?

    Two weeks ago I left Kingston, ON grossing 88,000 and emptied near Philly. Bounced to Baltimore, MD and reloaded for London, ON approx 65,000 gross. Unloaded in London and bounced 30 miles and reloaded again grossing 72,000 and drove through a mother of s snowfall to unload in Kingston, ON. I got 6.9 CDN (5.8 US) on that 1500 mile trip. Hwy 401 is alot flatter than I-81 and US-15.
     
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  3. Calspring

    Calspring Light Load Member

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    Pay rates in Canada are generally higher than the US. I know at that rate I probably couldn't find a driver. I pay over well over 0.50/mi where I am which has even higher wages than Eastern Canada. I don't think dropping the pay is a long term solution.

    Haider - I hope you hear something from Landstar.
     
  4. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    I don't see how LS can be a solution. Still might have the fuel problem and will have to hustle freight for three trucks on top of it.
     
  5. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    Yeah I know. Knowing the gross would go a long way toward figuring where the fuel is going.
     
  6. haider99

    haider99 Medium Load Member

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    Sorry i was not clear on that.
    The MPG is U.S. I spoke with the drivers today and they all said they are averaging 450litres on a 690miles trip per truck. One truck is a volvo with Volvo motor 10 speed 455 hp. The other 2 are Century and Columbia both with a Mercedes and 13 speed. For the Volvo i did a calculation since January when weather was really bad, and trucks got stuck in traffic a lot, it got hit once and had to be taken in for repairs. From my calculations since January, with slow work weeks. After diesel and drivers pay, I got $1100. The volvo does idle when the driver sleeps in at night. Also, for the month of November, Driver did 10721 miles 40/60 empty: full ratio and the truck consumed 7211 litres of diesel. Also, at that time the driver had to start the truck while he slept sometimes. In that month I pulled in $2200 after drivers pay and diesel. In July the truck did 11210 miles with 6839litres of diesel. That works out to 6.2 MPG (US). Now it makes sense, the bad weather seemed to consume too much diesel.
    Please note that with surcharge i am getting $1.50 and paying 1.25/litre in fuel.
    I am paying $283 /trip +HST of 13% to my driver. And the taxes are factored in the the calculation

    Thank you
     
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  7. FLATBED

    FLATBED Road Train Member

    I am paying $283 /trip +HST of 13% to my driver:biggrin_2551: Why are you paying them HST ?
     
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  8. Richter

    Richter Road Train Member

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    First off, what kind of trucks do you have? What kind of mpg are you getting? Diesel is a huge expense and its one that can be fixed or helped by truck add on's and drivers being incentiveised to not drive like idiots. If your fuel cost is to high, thats the first thing that needs to change. Really, to help you out, we need to know all your numbers. What is your average for each of the following on each truck:

    Revenue per mile
    Fuel cost per mile
    Payment per mile
    Driver pay per mile (avenge if paid %)
    maintenance per mile
    insurance per mile
    MPG (90 day, 30 day and current week)
    other expenses per mile


    Doing the hard work to find each of these number for each truck will show you where you can trim the fat. Is one truck costing way more in fuel or maintenance then the rest? You need to know mpg to see if the trucks are having problems. If you can post these number im sure other o/o can show you where to trim the fat and become profitable.
     
  9. dude6710

    dude6710 Road Train Member

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    Do you get any fuel discounts at all? I've been getting diesel for around $3.74 us gal.
     
  10. Richter

    Richter Road Train Member

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    you need to figure this out per truck. Is one doing better then the others? this computes to 5.46 mpg (im my metric conversion is right) This isnt horrible, but is nt great either. In Canada fuel is so expensive so i think focusing on this would really help. Maybe offer a small bonus every month your drivers hit 6.5 mpg (or equivalent in metric) Things like accelerationg slowly and cruising a little slower can make a difference of .10-.20 per mile. Depending on type of truck, Pittsburgh power mufflers can make a difference to.
     
  11. Richter

    Richter Road Train Member

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    You really need to know this per truck, and not just as a whole. That being said, your revenue sucks. What % of your miles are empty? With LS, you could pull vans making at least 1.70/ average mile. Putting a driver in that truck would be better then what your doing now.
     
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