Upgrading private equipment so need CDL

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by mas, Dec 2, 2010.

  1. mas

    mas Bobtail Member

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    Hi All,

    With the apparent uptick in pulling over private trucks and trailers I have decided to get my CDL since I am also buying a larger trailer and truck (for private use in auto racing) and don't want to get hassled or even worse, parked going to an event!

    The truck is a Freightliner M2, auto tranny.
    The trailer is a 44' Wells Cargo gooseneck.

    Neither have air brakes.

    I went ahead and got my physical, passed my written general knowledge test and the combination test. Didn't take the air brakes test because I am not using a vehicle that will use them. I am trying to get my Class A.

    I am a little confused on where I go from here. I know I need to go do the pre-trip inspection and on road test but would I do it in my own equipment or will I have to drive something from the school? Also I don't have time to go through a trucking school for 3 weeks, I have a business to run to keep food on the table. I currently have a F250 and a 24' tag along that I pull now, since I do not have the new trailer yet (it's on order) could I go take the test in the equipment I own now or am I too heavy with the new truck and trailer to even bother?

    Any help or suggestions would be very appreciated!

    Thanks!
     
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  3. Jbrake1960

    Jbrake1960 Light Load Member

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    are you sure u need class a? a vehicle over 26001 pounds?
     
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  4. o.m.d.

    o.m.d. Heavy Load Member

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    pretty sure you need the air brake endorsement to get the cdl license. i think you're better off finding a non cdl option.
     
  5. misterG

    misterG Road Train Member

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    OMD, its possible to get a class A w\o air brakes.
     
  6. mas

    mas Bobtail Member

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    The GVWR of the trailer is 22,500 and the truck itself has a GVWR of 8,845, so that puts me over the 26,001. The trailer is a triaxle, if it was tandem it would be 14,500 and I would be in the clear.
     
  7. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    I would go ahead and say you could use your own set-up.
     
  8. o.m.d.

    o.m.d. Heavy Load Member

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    hmm, i didnt know that. seems kind of pointless since every truck has air brakes or almost everyone at least.
     
  9. Flying Dutchman

    Flying Dutchman Road Train Member

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    its private use so you do not need a cdl necessarily. and it is possible to get one with an air brake restriction. even if you pass your written test with air brakes, but test in a vehicle without them, you will be restricted. And I know its been discussed before, but you may have a manual transmission restriction on you cdl if you test in your automatic.
     
  10. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    A private motor carrier does not define if a vehicle is a CMV or not. Under the FMCSR's § 390.5 definations a private motor carrier is a unit that is not for hire. For example a Chevron truck is not going to be hired out to haul someone's product. They are exclusive to themselves. What defines a CMV is if that vehicle (since he's gone over the weight requirements) is involved in any commerce. If he takes his race car to the track and wins $100 then the unit that hauled it there is a commerical motor vehicle and is under all the FMCSR's. Which means he needs a CDL.

    What I feel is needed is a better definition of commerce. We've had this discussion before and there's been a couple of LEO's that say commerce could be a trophy or a discount on parts for showing that parts manufacturer decal on the car.

    If it were me I'd check it all over very carefully and maybe have a letter from the DMV if he wants to go the non-CMV way. The best way to find out is to ask the others that are doing the same thing. Ask more than one just to make sure you get a good understanding.
     
  11. mas

    mas Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the responses.

    I guess this is my question, can I take my F250 and 24' tag trailer to a CDL school, do the walk around and the road test in that combination vehicle and then be cleared to drive the bigger truck and trailer with the same CDL? I know there is a "no tractor/trailer" restriction available in my state and the equipment I am going to drive in the near future isn't considered a tractor trailer anyway.

    Laws are confusing sometimes!
     
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