Use your mirrors please....

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Winnyf1, Feb 10, 2020.

  1. drivingmissdaisy

    drivingmissdaisy Road Train Member

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    I've always wondered the same thing.

    Not long ago I was cruising along AT THE SPEED LIMIT OF 70 and someone tried to pass. They didn't have the speed and sat on my driver door for miles. All of a sudden someone comes on the CB and says "C'mon guys, move out the way!" I said "Now wait a minute. I'm in the right lane at the speed limit and someone who can't pass me is trying to, why are you fussing at me?"

    They mumbled something and then shut up.
     
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  3. thetourman

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    Retired Ohio officer had 36 years in the system.
    Different departments have their own priority of what they want enforced. The department I retired from would usually run short staffed so some days we did not have time to enforce traffic laws. But if we were slow they wanted traffic enforcement. Any officer that has been working a few years has probably come close to being hit while on a traffic stop or at a traffic accident. Drivers experience it when they break down on the highway. So if their are extra officers available this law has a good chance of being enforced.
    When I left three years ago if you could not move over you were required to slow down and proceed with due caution and maintain a safe speed for road conditions.
    No set speed was mentioned. But again that was three years ago and in Ohio. I am not aware if they updated their laws.
    The law also included tow trucks, construction vehicle's and basically anything with flashing lights.
     
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  4. drivingmissdaisy

    drivingmissdaisy Road Train Member

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    A bigger lie has never been told on this forum.

    NO state has a tolerance in the law for speeders. The "tolerance" is up to the individual cop. If this is not true, produce proof with links where any amount over the limit is "written into the law' to allow. If he's having a pissy day he can stop and ticket you for 56 in a 55. Limits are limits. Like one cop told me, I don't see an asterisk on that speed limit sign.

    There are no CSA points for a speeding ticket less than 5 over but that doesn't mean you can't be stopped and ticketed for that.
     
  5. Moose1958

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    And about as useless.
     
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  6. Moose1958

    Moose1958 Road Train Member

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    The first thing I will tell you right NOW is I DO NOT LIKE TO BE CALLED A LIER! When I make a comment I mean what I am commenting on. Unlike you, I take the time to either know about something or say I am guessing. On this issue, I was speaking of a fact.

    As I have said several times now this can't be linked to because it is behind a paywall. It is also in the speed measuring section of Georgia law. It is important because 99% of the time OR MORE if someone gets a ticket it's because of speed measuring equipment.

    This title also does not apply to State Troopers. On that you are correct!

    Section 40-14-8. When case may be made and conviction had
    (a) No county, city, or campus officer shall be allowed to make a case based on the use of any speed detection device, unless the speed of the vehicle exceeds the posted speed limit by more than ten miles per hour and no conviction shall be had thereon unless such speed is more than ten miles per hour above the posted speed limit.
    (b) The limitations contained in subsection (a) of this Code section shall not apply in properly marked school zones one hour before, during, and one hour after the normal hours of school operation or programs for care and supervision of students before school, after school, or during vacation periods as provided for under Code Section 20-2-65, in properly marked historic districts, and in properly marked residential zones. For purposes of this chapter, thoroughfares with speed limits of 35 miles per hour or more shall not be considered residential districts. For purposes of this Code section, the term "historic district" means a historic district as defined in paragraph (5) of Code Section 44-10-22 and which is listed on the Georgia Register of Historic Places or as defined by ordinance adopted pursuant to a local constitutional amendment.



    I await your apology!!!!!

    I also suspect many more states have such rules!!!!!
     
  7. Moose1958

    Moose1958 Road Train Member

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    One final point. I have lost count of the number of cops I have spoken to over the years on this issue. To a person, they have told me this tolerance is set up through dept policy, NOT a state law. This is because 1 MPH over cases tend to get tossed by Judges. Further, I made a mistake in my first post by using the word Law. I should have said Rules and Policies. These rules generally are there because even the makers of these speed detection devices admit there is a high possibility of a small error. This is why most states require cops to take continued training on their use and to calibrate them following the dept rules and policies.

    Cops don't go around making public comments about this.
     
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  8. Wasted Thyme

    Wasted Thyme Road Train Member

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    Agreed. Reason "most" don't write tickets below 5 MPH at the lowest, is because calibration of both the "gun" and speedometer can be off by a couple of MPH, therefore the reason for the "cushion." My father was an OPD Motor-man back in my youth. Before you even had radar/laser. Back when they actually used Planes and stop watches. So "cushions" have always been around. Even if not always black and white. Can you find an officer who has a chip on his shoulder. Sure. Will it get tossed. 100%
     
  9. AModelCat

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    That's my viewpoint there. #### or get off the pot lol.
     
  10. thetourman

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    But retired cops do. LOL.

    Just a couple of quick things. Keep in mind this is based on my old department policy and procedures. Go over to the next town and they will be different.

    Radar manufactures will tell you the accuracy of the unit. Usually plus or minus 1 mph. Policy and procedure then will reflect this.

    I have seen tickets written for five over but never less than five. Many departments and judges would be very unhappy with a few over. Except for school zones I wrote 15mph and over.

    The radar manufacture would calibrate the radar once a year. Then they would certify it and we would keep the original and send a copy to the prosecutor.

    We tested the unit for calibration prior to and after every violation, tested the unit at the half way point of our shift if we had not used it and after any power interruption.
    On all our citations the testing time had to be written down. Testing was both internal and external using tuning forks. On our reports we had to write that we tested the units and the results.

    We had recertification on radar once a year. This included a written test, a demonstration of our knowledge on the unit including testing it for calibration and then looking at a vehicle while both stationary and moving and estimating its speed within five mph prior to activating the radar unit.
     
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  11. Moose1958

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    Yes, All very true. Reading that last comment jogged my memory a bit to a conversation I remember listening to between a SC State Trooper and his Sgt at a Truck Stop. they were talking about all the training time to get up to speed on a new radar system they were about to get. I later asked a Georgia Cop I knew about that. He told me yes the training is intense and you have to dot every I and cross every T. Then learn what the cushion was on violations. It's not really important, but the Georgia DPS just fired an entire class of new Troopers because they got caught cheating on this testing. These cushions are not there because the cops are being generous. They are there because if they started writing 1MPH over tickets at some point a Judge is going to toss the entire state speeding laws out in regard to speed measuring equipment. The case law on these issues across all 50 states would most likely fill up the back of a pickup truck.
     
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