Very Starange Log Book question for you experts.......

I would like to ask what school or type was this? Was it Roehl? You don't have to say where but would like to know what type of school so I can stay away from it or tell others too.
I'm not trying to insult you in any way.

 

What is it about the 10 hr rest rule that you need help with?

In the most basic scenario, you drive your shift of up to 11 hrs, then, go to sleeper or off duty for the 10.

If you've stopped inside that 11 hrs for loading/unloading, you should have marked those hours as on-duty not driving.

Once your 14 hr day is up, you cannot drive anymore even if you haven't used up your 11.

However, you can remain on-duty not driving past the 14.
You just cannot drive again until you've had your 10hr break.

That's pretty much the basics.
There's more subtilties involved.
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ahhh the ten hourrest is very easily explained. You can work up to 14 hours consecutive per shift, but only drive 11 hours during that shift. After the shift is up you need to go either off duty or sleeper berth for 10 consecutive hours before you can drive again. Keep it simple!

 

Or split the 10 hours into 2/8 or 8/2. Meaning 8 hours in the sleeper and the other 2 hours can be off duty or sleeper.

 

You can currently have this split.

 

The 8/2 split is the only 1 that stops the 14 hour clock though. The 2/8 split does not stop the 14 hour clock for the 2 hours you show as off duty. The 8 hour part will stop your 14 hour clock but using this will never give you a full 11 hours of driving nor will it give you a fresh 14 hour clock either. Not very user friendly so I dont bother with this anymore.

 

If you do the split understand after you take that 2nd break you DO NOT have a full 11 hours. The best way to figure it is your 14 hour restarts from the END of the previous break (being 8 or 2). Count over 14 hour from that. Now ask do you have 8 hours OR MORE in the SLEEPER? If so count over that many more hours (so if you had 8.5 hours in the sleeper, you would count over 8.5 hours from your original 14 hour mark; that you just made)


The driving time before the 8 & 2 and after the 8 & 2 should not total more than 11 hours.

Example:

If I driver 6 hours (starting @ 12:00 am) then go over duty 2 hours (my 14 still stops @ 2:00 pm). I only have 5 more hours to drive then my 8 hour SLEEPER break is due. Once I complete that 8 hour sleeper break I count over 14 hours, the look forward; You have 8 hours in the SLEEPER so you can count over 8 more hours (that's when your 14 hour ends); however the time before the 8 and after the 8 should not total more than 11 hours of line 3.


One day I will get everyone to understand how important it is for drivers to understand their exception of the DOT regulation (split breaking).

Keep trying and you will get it!

 

If you've stopped inside that 11 hrs for loading/unloading, you should have marked those hours as on-duty not driving.

Unless: If they are loading/unloading you and you CAN & DO go to the sleeper, log this as sleeper berth. If they tell you to wait in the break room, then by all means you must log it on line 4 or if you must assist the whole time; log it on line 4. The point I say is: If you are dealing with it, it's on line 4, the time you are not dealing with it, go to your sleeper etc to save time (however makee usre you are in the sleeper.

Once your 14 hr day is up, you cannot drive anymore even if you haven't used up your 11.

So true: Your 14 starts once you enter lines 3 or 4 after a 10 hour consecutive break or longer.

However, you can remain on-duty not driving past the 14.
You just cannot drive again until you've had your 10hr break.

Yes! Drivers do your fuel or anything that involves line 4 before your 10 to save your 14 hour clock. Great reason to inspect your truck very thoroughly then!

That's pretty much the basics.
There's more subtilties involved.
Need more?
Just ask a fairly specific question

 

My father owns his own business and I'm employed by him. I'm not a driver yet...I run loaders and machinery...but I'm in school right now as part of a truck driver training course and he asked ME this question. Not even the instructors have been able to give me a solid answer yet...just a lot of speculation.

Bob owns his own business in Grand Canyon, AZ. He's going to buy a new tractor in SF, CA. Bob and his son (me) are going to drive to SF, and from there each one will drive seperately back to AZ. The tractor that Bob buys will be bobtailed all the way back, and his son will drive the 4-wheeler back behind him.

Bob wants to know if, even though he's not getting paid to drive the tractor, and he's not hauling a load, if he still has to stop at scales, and if he has to log the trip at all.

Some people have said that when a truck is bobtailing it might as well be a 4-wheeler...not a cmv. but I almost don't buy that. any insight on this scenario would be most helpful...thanks in advance.

 

Since you are talking about a Class 8 tractor, I would not try to say it is a 4 wheeler.

In California, they want all trucks to enter the scales. The exception is a pickup truck. The bobtail unit would be classified as a truck.

Since he might get stopped, pd asked about the truck, I just came up to get it and plan to use in my business. Oops, now commercial.

Next, how will the insurance information be shown? Personally or in business name?

I believe I would treat the venture as commercial and show logging it. This is the safest.

If you have no problem when you get back, file away the logs.