Warnings on your CSA score

Again you're just so stubborn. The Carrier SMS and Driver SMS are two completely separate systems. The Carriers have violations, the drivers have violations. One doesn't feed into the other. They're completely separate analysis tools. The middle sentence shows you completely lack understanding of the two methodology systems and shouldn't be making comments on how CSA works.

 

You still have yet to offer proof that drivers are not ranked or scored.

I have offered proof that they in fact ARE ranked and scored.

You make the point that the FMCSA does not have the authority to rank or score drivers, but that's your opinion without any sort of backing information. It's a myth that you picked up somewhere and still believe.

 

First you argued at no end that clean inspections do not bring down drivers scores.

Now you argue that drivers aren't scored in the first place.

Which is it?

 

But we're all in agreement that "warnings" do go on your CSA. Anything that is written on your inspection carries a value, regardless of citation. So we're solid. Maybe we should open a new thread discussing the merits of CSA with specific reference to the methodology.

 

I don't think anyone disagrees with that whatsoever. A violation is a violation.

 

Thank you. That exactly happened to me. Question is should I tell my boss. He' a 5truck fleet carrier or owner op. He's always worried about insurance!!! LoL

 

I'm not going over a 5 year old thread to see if it's been answered.

There are two components of a CVSA inspection.

1. The inspection. Any violations will go here, and anything written down on a CVSA inspection report will be listed as a violation.
2. A citation. This is the fine that the city/state makes you pay.

A lot of LEO's will write a violation up on the inspection report and call it a written warning. It's really not a warning as it is a violation and full CSA points to the carrier and it's on the driver PSP. It's even worse than a citation as a citation can by pled down in court and maybe get the violation dismissed. The only option of a 'warning' is a form sent to the officer's supervisor disputing it. It rarely gets turned over.

As for telling the company, well there are a couple questions.
Was it a CVSA inspection violation? I.e. did you have to sign an inspection report? If you did the company will get notified, best to come from you.
If it was just a local yokel and no inspection, no citation then no harm, no foul. Keep it to yourself.

 

It will show up on the PSP, rather than the CSA per se. CSA probably will get it for trends in violating. But YOU will have a branded PSP based on that incident that other companies can discover when they look you up on your applying for work.

This is something that is behind the scenes and not explained to me until decades later. When certain problems have happened with inspections or some such with a given employer in the past.

My position would be to go ahead and teach the new ones to trucking how CSA, PSP and the like are used in checking to see if someone is a good candidate or not beyond the usual driving record and such.

 

What happens when you get a warning yet an inspection wasn't done? Why does it still hit your PSP?

 

I was under the impression it had to be conducted that's what separates your regular driving record from CMV record