Warnings on your CSA score

i'd like to know how you see 6 points on your psp. cuz i've ordered a few. and none show ANY points.

but the baloney that clean inspections dilute your score. i'm sory. you might have a 3 but on the left is a zero and on the right is a zero.

zero times 3 equals zero.

27 points on inspection 1. zero points on the next 19 inspections. you've still got 27 points.

the sum of all points is your score. zero has no value. therefore. it does nothing to your score.

really not a hard concept to understand. and it's defenitly no baloney.

 

I think I read somewhere... can't remember now... maybe it was in this website that drivers would be able to dispute warnings... this is something new... Not sure if they would be heard by a judge or what... I am not talking about filling a challenge with the DataQ... Does anybody here have some info about that? A warning should have at least a different severity weight than a citation. After all, an officer gives a driver a warning because the officer doesn't believe that violation is severe enough for a citation.

 

Nowhere in the methodolgy is it like that. You completely misunderstand the subject. Most formulas are divided by the time weight of relevant inspections. Relevant inspections include ones with and without violations. Any time you add to the lower part of a division formula, that makes the number go down. Cut your fuel use in half, your MPG doubles. Same concept and this is exactly how scores are calculated.

 

Absolutely wrong. Did you get this report directly from FMCSA or from Vigilo? Vigilo is notorious for absolutely screwing up their CSA formulas, they don't even use the same ones as FMCSA. Nowhere in the methodology are severity weights simply added up and that's your score. First they take your severity weight times your time weight. Second they divide that by the time weight of relevant inspections for most BASICs. If you understand simple grade school math, that would mean your score does not follow severity weight X time weight. Why? Because it gets divided by the time weight of the relevant inspection in almost all BASICs. For example:

Severity weight 6 X time weight 3 = 18
time weight of relevant inspections = 3

18 / 3 = Score of 6

A year later......

Severity weight 6 X time weight 2 = 12
Time weight of relevant inspections = 2

12 / 2 = Score of 6

A year later....

Severity weight 6 X time weight 1 = 6
Time weight of relevant inspections = 1

6 / 1 = score of 6

Now if you start adding in clean relevant inspections, you can see how this can really help you bring down the score. Guess what this means? In BASICs where the formula divides by the time weight of relevant inspections, time does not help bring down your score until the violation is gone. This is straight from the methodolgy which I've also confirmed using the actual scores of carriers. I've literally added up every single violation of fairly large companies and followed the exact formula and got the score exactly the same.

What this also means is in BASICs where the formula divides by the time weight of relevant inspections, the time weight actually only matters when you have clean inspections. Take the above example, and add in a recent clean inspection....

severity weight 6 time weight 3 = 18
Time weight of relevant inspections = 6

Score = 3

Severity weight 6 time weight 2 = 12
Time weight of relevant inspections = 5 (2 for the violation inspection, 3 for recent clean inspection)

Score = 2.4

Severity weight 6 time weight 1 = 6
Time weight of relevant inspections = 4 (1 for the violation inspection, 3 for recent clean inspection)

Score = 1.5

This is all basic grade school math.

 

Again it's just their way to have a truck driver not explode on them. The word warning should not be used. It's complete #########! It's a violation plain and simple. They honestly think we're that dumb. It's insulting.

 

I know... and totally agree with you man... I think they know that we can't fight a warning... but this law gotta change. We must be able to challenge warnings the same way we do citations... either that or get rid of this warning crap...

 

If you guys don't believe me that clean inspections help, maybe this will:

https://ai.fmcsa.dot.gov/SMS/Data/BASICs.aspx?enc=mU6TEypmmKNUbM8aygmTBw==

Swift has over 17000 relevant inspections in their vehicle maintenance BASIC. 7000 of them contain violations. SEVEN THOUSAND! The sum of the severity and time weight violations on the first page alone is 219. There are 725 more pages of that, all violations.

Their score is 2.86, which is actually a bit high. The score is all that matters. The 10,000 clean inspections helps bring this down.

 

You keep referring to company. The others are talking about their personal csa standing.

Clean inspections DO NOT affect the driver score. It only does the company.

You are also stating that there is no such thing as points.

Consider this.

When someone scores in Football they get a point so it can be used to track.

When someone receives a score of 21 as a driver, what does it matter if it is called a point?

 

You folks, I hope are well aware. The top tier driving company jobs do not look at your CSA score. They verify your work history,criminal, driving and don't look at that circus crap DAC / CSA
HR has common sense, Better bring your A game and answer ever question. CSA / DAC

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I have a generic question about this CSA drek. I'm kinda new to the forum, and perhaps this has been discussed, so bear with me. It seems the biggest fear out there for truck drivers, is this CSA score. I'm old school, haven't driven trucks since '06, but truck drivers are , by far, the safest, best drivers on the planet.(with a few exceptions) How did this CSA baloney ever get through? On a CSA basic's site, the 5 most talked about categories are: Texting/cell phone use, speeding, reckless driving, improper lane change and inattentive driving. Am I missing something here? These are all perfect categories for 4 wheeler problems. I'm not sure of the stats, but 4 wheelers doing these things are the major cause of accidents that happen to suck a truck in with them. I often think of driving a truck again, but with these kind of convoluted regulations, I don't want anything to do with the trucking industry anymore. Thanks for listening, any other "old timers" with me?