Werner Per Diem fraud

1895, Pollock vs Farmers' Loan and Trust Co. http://modern-us-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/income-tax-declared-unconstitutional and also wikipedia (but this link seems to be the easiest to read)
Possibly the most important supreme court ruling ever, yet the most covered up. It was made "constitutional" by the sixteenth amendment. That's as ridiculous as the proposed amendment to make gay marriage illegal.

I lost em. not my fault. But you're supposed to keep them for infinity. seriously, what the hell? #### em. If they ever audit me, i'm renouncing my citizenship.

Oh, no one stole them. They threw them away to steal the file folders they were in. Yeah, seriously. In december 2008, I had to stand up for myself, against domestic violence, and ran away from home. You can see what my family thought about my stuff just from the way they threw me away.

So the IRS is going to punish me for running away from domestic violence? Nice. There really wasnt alot of room in my car for my tax papers, theres only so much room to sleep in a car in the first place. Atleast it was a wagon.


Also, whats up with being double, triple taxed on things? For example, in michigan, you pay 6% tax every time you buy a vehicle. Why? In Michigan, you have to pay state and federal income tax plus sales tax on everything you buy. Don't forget that if you evade sales tax by buying anything out of state, you are supposed to pay federal income tax on it as income. What the hell?

I even have a bank who claims i owe them $1000 over a $300 credit card i defaulted on because of their re-#######-dick-ulous fees (i was late on one payment that me over the limit, and i couldnt pay the over the limit and late fees of nearly $100....PER MONTH...), who is threatening to 1099 me on that ####. what the ####?

It's ridiculous, and i am especially p-oed about the michigan state income tax. But thats alright, im leaving the state permanently in two weeks. Look up "drivers responsibility fees" and ask any michiganer about how they passed that bull into law.

 

There are the numbers I was looking for! And that's ONLY for 1000 miles a week per truck for 7000 trucks! It's not totally correct as well some trucks get 3000 miles + some are sitting for zero and of course the teams! I wonder if the person who came up with this kind of plan gets a percentage of the 700,000 or whatever the final number is? That is a scheme if I ever saw one! Does this Bottom Feeder Inc. actually think it costs that much to figure the per diem? NOT IN THIS CENTURY!

As I said anyone who knows how to do a simple Excel sheet can do the figuring and if they use easy calc it's not a hard problem at all to figure as all it is in excel is lets say line A19 ( total miles driven for truck 1234 x .01 and put it on line whatever or say line D54! It's all written on ONE LINE and actually in only ONE FRAME! So these scammers as they can now legally be called are charging you a penny a mille for the freaking computer to do the math and it took them maybe 30 seconds to open a program type in a command line a high schooler can write, close the program and let it do the work!

Now to give them credit where credit is due that's JUST to figure out the penny cost to do the work! That doesn't include how much that wonderful per diem is and if I'm right that's another 45 seconds in Excel! Darn that secretary is making some high dollars if it costs that much for her to do the payroll every week! Now if it's some bigger accounting program yeah it might cost them a thousand or so for the software company to add a few lines of code so ok I'll give them a break and let them say charge you an opt in fee of say a whole $5. one time fee! They should be able to recover their cost in a month but that's all! And that's being freaking generous for Bottom Feeder Inc.!

How do I get a job like that? But then as bad as I have it now I couldn't do my fellow workers like that and sleep at night! I'm about to get my arse spanked by a mod with what I want to call a certain president of not only this BFI ( Bottom Feeder Inc.) but all of them that even think of charging you for this oh so freaking wonderful scam! Even charging $5.00 a month is too much! That is $35,000 a month or an average years pay for an over worked under paid driver for this company! How much more do you honestly think you need Bottom Feeder Inc.?

Bottom Feeder Inc. Sleep well you XxXxXxxxxxXXXxxxxx XXXXXXXXXXXxx XXXXXXxxxxXXXxx XXXXxxxxxXXXXX xxXXXXXXXXX!

Where the hello is the Gooberment that over sees the RICO ACT? This is just totally wrong on so many levels! A company making even HALF that figure is raking their workers over the coals! Heck where is Dan Rather on this? HMMMMM? What a "privilege" that is to figure out how much to screw you for!

Oh Pick my silly old arse off the floor as I'm laughing to freaking hard and something just fell off!

Good Luck
Rollover

All we want is a FAIR wage for a Fair days work and these pathetic less than 35 cents a mile is no where close to being fair wages!

 

Ehehe. I figured using very low numbers would convince more people, so thats why i figued it that way...

As for the person who came up with this scheme, for some reason I think old Clarence himself came up with this ####.

I really wonder how many trucks they have on the road. They claim to have 7,000, but it seems like theres a lot more than that out there. They have over 7,000 brand new tractors sitting in the dallas yard i bet...

excel is sooo simple, glad i learned how to use it in grade school. It's just a big calculator.

I used to date this chick and at one point she was trying to make a budget. I tried to get her to use excel instead of a regular calculator. Shes like....."Is there a form for it!?!?!" gawd kids these days (she was 19).........why the hell would you need a form for that? It's just numbers in cells, cells in columns and rows!

Yeah, i agree.

And then the company somehow brainwashes the drivers into thinking its just the greatest job on earth...

 

I guess it was a good thing I only worked for Werner 6 months........

 

Like the driver said, personal choice. However, I agree, giving interest free loans to the government, especially one that can't seem to repay trillions in loans to countries that don't like us much, is not very smart.

Many years ago, I worked for a CPA, and she had a simple rule: If you have to pay or are getting back more than half of a single week's earnings (gross) at the end of the year, then you are not doing your federal taxes right. State taxes should be about 10% of that amount.

Obviously, not withholding enough can result in penalties, but what some may not know is that paying too much (rare for company drivers) can result in the same problem (part of the whole Paperwork Reduction Act).

Company drivers really should take the time and do the worksheet that comes with the Form W-4 to make sure they are keeping their taxes in the range I mentioned at the end of the year. The closer to $0.00 you can keep taxes owed or rebates at the end of the year, the better off you really are.

If you're one of those who thinks "out of sight, out of mind" and are using the taxes as a sort of piggy-bank, well have an automatic deduction made to go into a savings account, ROTH or other IRA, or something else that would at least earn a bit of interest.

It's a lot better than putting the money with a borrower that is trillions of dollars in debt with no plan to repay it, and no willingness to increase their own income or to reduce their own spending. Treat your taxes like a bank would treat you... Wait, strike that, after what happened that's probably not a good example, lol. Just treat the borrower (in this case the government) like you would someone wanting to borrow money from you.

 

Not exactly...

You pay in other ways, which I've already outlined. One of the most immediately damaging is the hit to your personal credit that results from the reduced declared income, since most banks cannot and will not count your per diem as income (the "if you don't pay taxes on it, then it is not a stable income" rule).

Wrong again. While you do pay less taxes, the employer's taxes are reduced in a number of ways. They not only get your per diem deduction, they also get reduced taxes on FICA, Medicare, federal and state Unemployment Insurance, and on their Workman's Compensation premiums. This translates to reduced Social Security benefits, bankrupting of the Medicare system, underfunding of the Unemployment Insurance Program, and underfunding of the Workman's Compensation system. That in turn translates into financial harm to the driver in the event they become sick, injured at work, get laid off, or try to retire.

Yeah, for the entire time you are employed with them, at least at my company, where the per diem scheme is now mandatory for all drivers.

Again, incorrect, for the reasons I already outlined above.

The ability for an employer to take your deduction, give you back only part of it, and then have that plan screw up future events (illness, injury, retirement) is not a smart plan, unless you are the employer. It's bad for the employee on several levels (see above).

Corporations do not get sick, do not become injured, and do not retire. They do not eat, bathe, or sleep. How come they can take away a real human being's deductions for paying for all this stuff and claim it for themselves?

It would be different, for some, if the per diem payroll scheme were paid to the driver in the same amount that the company gets to deduct, but that is rarely the case today. And, as I've mentioned many times now, drivers who have no fixed residence get slammed at the end of the year on their taxes.

As for the companies who charge a "fee" for administering the plan (which is all done automatically by computers)? You can 1099 them, if the amount you are charged exceeds $400 (about 40,000 miles worth at a fee of $0.01/mi). Since many companies do not itemize that particular "fee" or otherwise show it as income, well...

Per Diem plans should be voluntary, and should be equal to the per diem deduction the employer is taking away from you, at the very least, especially given the massive tax savings they get (aside from the ability to claim YOUR deduction). But, most companies that have per diem plans make them mandatory, hardly any pay you what you are losing when you give up the deduction. Many charge a "fee" for their computers to automatically calculate the per diem (the fee far exceeds what the computers cost to buy, run, and for the operator to do a quick point and click once a week).

Like I said, if the per diem plan wasn't making the employer significant amounts of profit, they wouldn't even bother with it.

And, here's the kicker here... Many of the companies that make the per diem mandatory would not be in business any longer if they didn't, especially those who pay the per diem based upon miles and charge a fee.

Just a reality check.

 

Item 1 is untrue. Let's say the company takes $0.16/mi, and gives back $0.14/mile. They're giving you 87% back, per mile, so on the face it looks like they're losing money. But, in reality, just on the per diem, you would have to run about 400 miles per day, every day you are out (no breakdowns, no restarts, no layovers, etc) to break even on the tax deduction loss, and another 300 miles per day to make up for the hit to your benefits, credit, etc.

Item 2 is wrong (see the rebuttal to Item 1)

Item 3 only works if you run about 700 miles per day, every day, no breaks.

Item 4 This is a break even point, again for the driver, not the company, if they are getting the miles I stated.

Item 5 They are doing that anyway.

The reality is the company is saving money off the per diem even if they give you the full amount they are taking away every day. They save on FICA, Medicare, State and Federal UI (while bankrupting these programs) and Workman's Comp, while hurting the driver in the short and long run on many levels I've already outlined many times in the last year.

 

Whats the problem here? The company 'strongly encourages drivers to sign up', are they standing there with a gun to your head?
Seems to me to be optional and even has an opt out after 12 months.
The driver has agreed to the terms of his employment contract and chooses to remain as an employee so it is not fraud. I dispise companies like Werner but drivers need to educate themselves on the contents of their employment contract before signing it and then complaining about it afterwards. Werner will not change so you decide to accept it and shut up or drive for another company.

 

They cannot "force" you to accept a "per diem" program as a condition of employment. Federal Law requires the program to be voluntary.

 

hmmmmmmmm interesting reading