What’s the most frustrating part of getting paid after a load?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by patrickd93, Jun 21, 2025.

  1. patrickd93

    patrickd93 Bobtail Member

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    Hi! Thanks for the answer. So if I understand correctly:
    • Shipper → pays broker
    • Broker → delays payment to carrier (even if they already got paid) to gain some interest
    • Carrier → gets squeezed, often forced to factor and lose 2% to 5%
    This sounds like a broken system. This is financial arbitrage. Delayed payments aren’t inefficiency, they’re a business model.
    It makes me wonder: what true value does the broker add today? Are they still essential, or just a middleman that tech could replace?
    If a carrier can find loads and get paid directly by shippers, I can imagine a dozen ways tech could make that smoother and more transparent.
     
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  3. wichris

    wichris Road Train Member

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    Most business runs on net 30
     
  4. patrickd93

    patrickd93 Bobtail Member

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    Thank you!
    So, the shipper themselves also pay in 30 days to the broker. Makes sense.
     
  5. Big Road Skateboard

    Big Road Skateboard Road Train Member

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    That's a bit unrealistic. It's not uncommon to hit the 45-60 day mark from job done to check in the mail.

    In a previous business, 90-120 was common for some of the largest customers. Credit worthiness wasn't an issue, they were just slow.

    I can't imagine there's another tool needed for carriers to get paid. If we want it fast, there's factoring and quickpay options. If we don't mind waiting, checking credit is not hard several different ways.
     
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  6. patrickd93

    patrickd93 Bobtail Member

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    Thank you! So from your point of view, it's working well as it is. Interesting!
     
  7. Big Road Skateboard

    Big Road Skateboard Road Train Member

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    IMO, yes. That's not to say there's not opportunities to exploit. As a whole, OO's are terrible managers of money, maintenance, and time.
     
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  8. patrickd93

    patrickd93 Bobtail Member

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    So what you’re saying is that there might be opportunities to help by optimizing cash flow, tracking maintenance frequency, and helping carriers choose loads more strategically to improve their return on time and investment. Interesting.

    If you have anything more specific in mind, happy to hear it!
    Thanks!
     
  9. NorthEastTrucker

    NorthEastTrucker Heavy Load Member

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    Piece of advice (disclaimer), 'Watch whats said about Brokers' or some gang up and ostracize by ridiculing the precise on point actual facts about the matter. You raise an Excellent point ever though I personally made some good connections with a few brokers saying that.. However, those same brokers who give me steady good rates are subjected to the overall outcome of the market in order to sustain their margins. Honestly, its understandable they need to uphold their 15% to 30% margin. However, the carrier will never know the overall Shippers rate and only have an idea of it of what the broker gets unkess the Shipper/Receiver tells you (note: A Shipper asked me once and was totally shocked how much I was only paid yet a plethora of individuals can't comprehend reality). In many cases though these days most Shippers are shorting shipping rates because of the tariffs and threats of more to come and because demand is beginning to subside during a potential recession.
     
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  10. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    You have a problem with your premise on how this works, you equate carrier with owner operator.

    When you have a fleet larger than two trucks, there should no problems carrying AR net 30 or net 60 without a problem.

    owner operators should have no issue with carrying AR net 30 without an issue.

    what a consignee pays a broker is really not an issue, it is a problem where the broker isn’t the originating broker on the load which is where a lot of these problems happen. The fmcsa should force payment made to the truck within 30 or sooner no matter what for any broker, and allow the truck to file against the bond to get paid without delay.
     
  11. patrickd93

    patrickd93 Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the advice, I’m just trying to learn and contribute here.
    Your comment actually reminds me of Uber. You pay $50 to get to the airport, but the driver sees only $26 on their app. Uber keeps the rest, and the driver never really knows what the rider paid.
    Maybe there’s some room for improvement in trucking too, especially around making the shipper’s payment more transparent to the carrier.
    If the shipper is paying on net 30 terms, there might be better financing options than paying a 15 to 30 percent margin to the broker. That could make instant payment to carriers more accessible.
    Just thinking out loud while learning from you. Really appreciate your thoughts.
     
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