What about load boards that exclude brokers and include shippers and carriers only?

In the post I made below the broker who is double brokering the load is looking to make around 8 bills on it.

What did he do to make this money?

He answered a phone.

 

Right now I'm getting ready to dh to a load that's paying "ok" on the loaded miles but when you include the dh it's really not that nice of a deal... Why am I doing it? Cause it fits in the schedule, gets me exactly to the city where the load I'm really wanting is loading next week, and still pays me to haul it... I'll clear about 6 bills on it after the fuel.... The load I'm getting next week takes us home and will put about 3k in my pocket.... so, sure I'm going to bridge that gap.... this business is all about getting from here to there, and making money along the way....

 

But the real stinker is that I had two, TWO, loads booked earlier this week that paid better than the one I'm going to get, (about 35% better), both taking me to that pick up.....

One cancelled on me, the other changed the dates and I had to cancel....

Suddenly I'm up against the clock and scrambling to find my bridge.

I found it, and it's paying enough...

The ones that got away were nice, really nice...

It sucks, but it happens

 

I have always wondered how so many people know that something is double brokered vs co-brokered or a customer or 3PL working with multiple companies?

 

No way to really know for sure, but on the one that I'm talking about I knew more about it than the second broker did.....

Now, if the shipper was his customer I would expect him to know what I know about it....

I can't really get into the details of it, but everything the second broker said screamed "double broker" when I spoke with him...

 

Now, if I wanted to gamble, I would keep at it until I found magic load number 3...lol...


I got nervous yesterday, (load screw ups tend to do that to me), and I took the one I'm picking up today, I need my bridge and it needs to get me all the way there...

 

Sometimes you can see double brokered freight. Looks suspiciously like it. Several weeks ago a friend of mine sent an email with a cut-n-paste of an ITS load with the rate on it where a large carrier had posted an 800 mile or so load going to PA for about $3.25 a mile. Then below that also pasted in were several Landstar broker email alerts from various different agency codes offering the very same load for anywhere from $1.90-$2.15 a mile. These were the usual suspect shyster codes. There is a LS agent on this forum who openly admits to double brokering freight to make money (it's not LS-OZR btw) I couldn't believe what I was reading, that he admitted to it, but he did in a post in the LS DAC section. Yeah it happens all the time.

 

There is little doubt about that load I mentioned being double brokered, but what is going to be funny is what happens when that load gets covered by someone who has no experience with that kind of load, they'll show up without the necessary equipment, (stuff I know the dbl broker don't), won't make check calls, and will possibly be late on one end or the other, not to mention the fact that you better be able to maneuver your equipment, cause the pu and del are in very tricky places....lol....

I hated giving it back, and was looking for my bridge load when it went up.....

Called on it out of curiosity, just to see if my suspicions were valid.

I might have jumped the gun by picking the one I have on now, and have been kicking myself all day for not setting the rate higher on this one and playing tough on the negotiation....

Or just waiting and giving it another day to do my thing, but I had the sure thing in my hands when I said, "yeah, go ahead and send me the rate con...."

It's funny how weak you can get when you have to be in a particular place at a particular time.

And what really sucks is the one I gave back was paying a little better than double what this one I have on now is......(when you factor the dh in)

Been thinking about that all day too.

 

Well, I guess the really important thing is, I have my load that gets me all the way home lined up for next week, I'll be there early, which will make our customer happy, and I'll get it all the way to the other coast a day early, which will make him happy....

And I really didn't lose any money, since it was never actually in the account yet..... it just means I put a little less than I would have liked to in...lol...

Someone changing a date on you can really mess things up.

 

I am very late on my responses as we have been swamped. I hope the rest of you have been too. This summer is proving to far surpass 2012 although we are not seeing levels of 2011, but I am counting whatever blessings I can get.

BigBadBill: I do not believe I am more right than you. I am a stats person myself and I can quote you stats on just about anything in this world, but I also know that stats can and cannot be an accurate assessment. What I know to be accurate is what I see with my own eyes. That is all I am saying there. Sorry if I offended you in any way. 2 times this week this theory was proven correct again. I got a broker to come up 40% on a load, which at least means he wanted to profit that much if he could. And I believe he possibly had way more than 40% to begin with, maybe even 60. And this is not a brokerage that typically negotiates like car salesmen such as TQL and Access. On another load a few tiny things changed and I got him to come up 30% on the load in 2 seconds with no hesitation. 15% I would have demanded, but the other 15% was just because I learned through the grapevine that he had a lot more money in the load than he was paying me. That tells me he had at least 40% in that load or more being he did not even call anyone to get the rate up or even talk to a boss, and no complaint about out of pocket as they love to do at the drop of a hat. The first scenario ticked me off and the second one did not. Reason being that the second load was already paying decent, but the first was paying horrible. Broker would have pocketed 40% plus and driver would not have even been able to cover his cost. How is that fair to that poor owner operator trying to feed his family? This sickens me to no avail. That company has trucks so unless he is brain dead he knew that load was no profit. How do they sleep at night? Maybe I am a softy but I could not sleep at night doing that to a poor guy over the road sleeping in a truck away from his kids and wife.