What do I NEED? Farm truck/tractor Questions in Texas???

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Glen1978, Feb 19, 2011.

  1. twolane

    twolane Medium Load Member

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    WRONG!
    You have to pay the tonmile TAX for the miles you run on the offroad fuel!
    Ya need a LICENCE/TAX person to help ya! You can run red fuel if ya pay the roaduse tax for the miles ya run on the road!
     
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  3. Glen1978

    Glen1978 Bobtail Member

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    I beg to differ. But Im gonna be running road fuel in my truck so lets not get sidetracked here. Back to what I need and what I dont need. Im setting here looking at my "Texas End user signed statement for purchasing tax-free dyed diesel fuel" permit from the Texas Comptrollers office. It states that:

    -NONE of the dyed diesel fuel purchased on this signed statement will be used on public highways, streets or roads.

    -All of the dyed diesel fuel purchased on this signed statement will be consumed BY the purchaser in Texas and will NOT be resold; and

    NONE of the dyed diesel fuel purchased on this signed statement will be delivered or permitted to be delivered into the supply tanks of MOTOR VEHICLES OPERATING ON PUBLIC HIGHWAYS, STREETS OR ROADS IN THIS STATE.

    Thats pretty plain right there. Just had a company man get his ### tore up for this very same thing.....plus lost his $1300/day job and truck warranty over it for running red diesel in his Dodge he got from the drilling rig. I promise you that you aint gona pull up to an offroad pump and put it in your truck around here.
     
  4. twolane

    twolane Medium Load Member

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    Glen, I'm tracking but your not...the ONLY differance between red fuel and otr fuel is the dye, & tax money! If you get an IFTA account, keep track of the otr miles you run, and report it to that lic/tax person I told you about you will be fine! They will report it to the state & yes you will be billed quarterly for the tax money you owe the state for the miles/red fuel you used on their roads.

    You don't really think I made this s#!t up do ya?
    You asked,,,I answered.
    Yer welcome!

    Bye!
     
  5. Glen1978

    Glen1978 Bobtail Member

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    I understand the difference in the fuel. We use thousands of gallons of it a day on the drilling rigs. I have seen them add the dye. Not questioning you at all. Just saying that the folks around here will NOT put it in a truck tank. But all that being said Im not worried about red vs green diesel and not trying to get in a pissing match. I do thank you for your info and would appreciate more especially if/when I do hire this equipment for money.
     
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  6. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Do not use Red diesel in an "on road" vehicle......Period.
     
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  7. turnanburn

    turnanburn Medium Load Member

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    I was wanting to add that if you register non farm (here in VT that would be "truck") and haul your dozer to a job, then you still aren't a common or contract carrier. So, no need for "authority" Likewise, as I buy gov. surplus, I can go and pick up my own property and not be a carrier in need of authority. I would still need IFTA, an IRP registration or permits, inspection, insurance, CDL, medical card, log and in most states some other registration thing that VT is "non-participating" state in.

    And no red fuel in the trucks! Back in NY the DOT would come right into the livestock auction yard and dip tanks in the pick ups and other farm trucks. Big fines. Never had one, not planning on it.
     
  8. farmerleach

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    I know things are different in Canada, but as a farmer I'll tell you this. Find out what you need to do to be legal and do it. Don't try the dumb farmer thing, The DOT guys around here are more than likely to fine you for trying that than if your just honest with them. As an example, I was heading to town for a load of animal feed with an old truck we use around here, There was a burnt out clearance light, that was operational when I left the yard. I got stopped at a random roadside check. There were two things I could have done, Claimed It was working when I left home, or because I think ahead for these types of situations and always carry spare bulbs, and lights, I can say Sorry I'll fix it right now, If you'll allow me. There was no problems with that.

    I don't know what the regulations are for dyed diesel in the states are. Up here if your vehicle is registered as a farm vehicle you can burn dyed diesel. That being said, If you even think you might use that truck for commercial use, I wouldn't use the dyed fuel. That dye stays around, and you have to have clean everything spotless, or big fine if you get caught. Up here you if you record your farm vs commercial driving you can get your tax's back on the fuel, if you fill out some forms. I'd much rather do that than get a nice big ticket.
     
  9. dieselbear

    dieselbear Road Train Member

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    Just because he is a Trooper doesn't mean he has all the answers. I know each area in Texas has Troops that are commercial vehicle inspectors. Those are the troopers you need to talk to. TX DPS is the lead MCSAP Agency for Texas. A quick google search gave me the local TX DPS commercial vehicle unit near Tyler, TX. Their number was 903-939-6035. The information for the Austin post is P.O. Box 4087 Austin, TX 78773
    Phone: 512-424-2775Fax: 512-424-7788. I found that information on the CVSA website. Good luck.
     
  10. dieselbear

    dieselbear Road Train Member

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    That information will get a lot of folks in hot water. I know in my State, if they check and find you with dyed fuel, IFTA account, or not, will result in a hefty fine. Then it usually goes to a fuel blown tax audit and checking all other vehicles that run diesel. I have seen a few search warrants executed at the business' running dyed fuel on the road. It's not allowed in my State on the road in any truck.
     
  11. Glen1978

    Glen1978 Bobtail Member

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    It aint allowed here either. Like was said earlier I have seen and heard of them pulling into the sale barns and tractor auction places and go to dipping tanks. Any of the roughnecks on the rig get caught with red fuel in there tank.....FIRED. No questions ask. But I dont care about that. Aint no way in He!! I would put red fuel in my truck.
     
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