What else do I need to haul Hazmat?

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  1. Msticlaru

    Msticlaru Bobtail Member

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    My driver has his Hazmat Cert, and is hauling a load of copper sulfate. According to the broker only California considers it hazmat. Question is, other than the endorsement, what else do you need? Just don't want him to get nailed at the cali port of entry for anything stupid. He doesn't have placards, but thats one of the things that im wondering about.
     
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  3. Coonass

    Coonass "Freshy Fresh"

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    Do you have your own authority, or are you leased to someone?
     
  4. Msticlaru

    Msticlaru Bobtail Member

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  5. Coonass

    Coonass "Freshy Fresh"

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    Well if you have your own authority who will need:

    1-A Hazerdous Materials Certificate of Registration

    2-Placards if it is a RQ (reportable quantity)

    3-MSDS sheets for the material (Material safety data sheet)

    4-Hazardous Materials Transportation license (State Permits) for the states
    you plan to travel through.

    I'm sure there may be a few things others could add that I forgot.

    If your leased to someone you still need to get #1 from your company, you still
    need #'s 2,3, and 4.

    Being leased the company will provide all the permits and such that you need
    and if your running your own authority you will have to get these on your own.
     
  6. Coonass

    Coonass "Freshy Fresh"

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  7. Msticlaru

    Msticlaru Bobtail Member

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    awesome thanks, ya i found that site just a little bit ago :) though, we dont have the hazmat cert. that could suck if he gets stopped at the cali border. seems weird that only 1 state would consider it hazardous material.
     
  8. psanderson

    psanderson Road Train Member

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    Copper Sulfate is NOT a hazardous material according to the regulations. The hazardous materials table at 49 CFR part 172.101 does not list it as a hazardous material. In addition, a state may not preempt the federal regulations in this matter as the USDOT Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration states that the federal government has the right to preempt any state from enforcing any rules other than the federal hazardous materials rules.

    Here is the applicable page from the 172.101 table listed in alphabetical order. As you can see it is not here. If it isn't here then it isn't a hazardous material in transportation no matter what California says. If he gets a ticket it is easily beat because CA can't impose any rule other than this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The broker is wrong/incorrect and reportable quantity has nothing to do with it. Weight/amount and/or volume determine placarding but since it is not hazardous for transportation this becomes a moot point. But you as the motor carrier are required to be knowledgeable in these regulations. And if you, the motor carrier do not have the federal hazardous materials registration your driver cannot transport haz mat as defined.

    From a retired federal DOT HAZ Mat official

    (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8A) (8B) (8C) (9A) (9B) (10A) (10B)
    .................................................... .................... III 6.1 ..... IB8, IP3, T1,
    TP33
    153 ...... 213 ...... 240 ...... 100 kg 200 kg A 40
    Copper chlorate ......................... 5.1 UN2721 II 5.1 ..... A1, IB8, IP2, IP4,
    T3, TP33
    152 ...... 212 ...... 242 ...... 5 kg 25 kg A 56, 58
    Copper chloride .......................... 8 UN2802 III 8 ........ IB8, IP3, T1,
    TP33
    154 ...... 213 ...... 240 ...... 25 kg 100 kg A ............
    Copper cyanide .......................... 6.1 UN1587 II 6.1 ..... IB8, IP2, IP4, T3,
    TP33
    153 ...... 204 ...... 242 ...... 25 kg 100 kg A 52
    Copper selenate, see Selenates
    or Selenites.

    .................... ........... .......... .......... .......... .................... .................... ............
    Copper selenite, see Selenates
    or Selenites.

    .................... ........... .......... .......... .......... .................... .................... ............
    Copper tetramine nitrate ............ Forbidden ........... .......... .......... .......... .................... .................... ............
    A W Copra ......................................... 4.2 UN1363 III 4.2 ..... IB8, IP3, IP7 None .... 213 ...... 241 ...... Forbidden Forbidden A 13, 19,
    48, 119
    Cord, detonating, flexible ........... 1.1D UN0065 II 1.1D .. 102 63(a) .... 62 ........ None .... Forbidden Forbidden 07 ............
    Cord, detonating, flexible ........... 1.4D UN0289 II 1.4D .. None .... 62 ........ None .... Forbidden 75 kg 06 ............
    Cord detonating or Fuse detonating
    metal clad.
    1.2D UN0102 II 1.2D .. None .... 62 ........ None .... Forbidden Forbidden 07 ............
    Cord, detonating or Fuse, detonating
    metal clad.
    1.1D UN0290 II 1.1D .. None .... 62 ........ None .... Forbidden Forbidden 07 ............
    Cord, detonating, mild effect or
    Fuse, detonating, mild effect
    metal clad.
    1.4D UN0104 II 1.4D .. None .... 62 ........ None .... Forbidden 75 kg 06 ............
    Cord, igniter ............................... 1.4G UN0066 II 1.4G .. None .... 62 ........ None .... Forbidden 75 kg 06 ............
    Cordeau detonant fuse, see
    Cord, detonating, etc; Cord,
    detonating, flexible.
    .................... ........... .......... .......... .......... .................... .................... ............
    Cordite, see Powder, smokeless .................... ........... .......... .......... .......... .................... .................... ............
    G Corrosive, liquid, acidic, inorganic,
    n.o.s.
    8 UN3264 I 8 ........ A6, B10, T14,
    TP2, TP27
    None .... 201 ...... 243 ...... 0.5 L 2.5 L B 40.
    II 8 ........ B2, IB2, T11,
    TP2, TP27
    154 ...... 202 ...... 242 ...... 1 L 30 L B 40.
    III 8 ........ IB3, T7, TP1,
    TP28
    154 ...... 203 ...... 241 ...... 5 L 60 L A 40.
    G Corrosive liquid, acidic, organic,
    n.o.s..
    8 UN3265 I 8 ........ A6, B10, T14,
    TP2, TP27
    None .... 201 ...... 243 ...... 0.5 L 2.5 L B 40
    .................................................... .................... II 8 ........ B2, IB2, T11,
    TP2, TP27
    154 ...... 202 ...... 242 ...... 1 L 30 L B 40
     
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  9. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

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    Bein' a company guy, I don't get into the details outside of what I need as a company driver. Aren't there some insurance requirements above and beyond the usual hazard insurance, load liability, etc.?
     
  10. Mike_MD

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    Msticlaru:



    Copper Sulfate is a severe marine pollutant:

    PP
    Copper sulphate, anhydrous, hydrates.


    Marine pollutants may qualify as Class 9 HM and depending on the amount may require UN markings on the trailer.

    As a Class 9 material it may have a generic HM Shipping name, i.e. Environmentally Hazardous Substance.

    Coonass:



    A Hazardous Materials Registration is not required for Class 9 HM.



    RQ pertains to “Hazardous Substances” not placards.



    Class 9 is usually excepted from state HM license. Some states have a special permit for special waste which is not the same as hazardous waste.



    $1,000,000 of insurance minimum, a security plan for placarded quantities of HM, and HM training for employees.

    Be safe.
     
  11. Coonass

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    Mike or Mr Know it all- I said RQ meaning if it is not than you do not need placards, if it is than you do. I know what it pertains too and I know what I
    was talking about.
     
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