A appoirtioned tag with only 2 states should be half that much unless you are talking some serious over weight permits like A or B trains up north. Road use taxes are 550 a year for federal, unless the state you are hauling in has some extra fee's for the individual state.
9000 dollars a year is a very unrealistic number for maintenance though. I had a dump trailer for about 18 months, and even with me doing all the work my self, I spent over 40,000 bucks that year trying to keep a 2 year old truck, and trailer up to spec. I had no major break downs other than a clutch. I can tell you from experience that pulling a dump trailer is the hardest thing on a truck as far as maintenance goes. It seemed like everyday something went wrong. Blow an airbag, chunk of metal in a tire, something fly up and knock a brake chamber off, broken hoses, bent bumper, lights, tarps, ripping mud flap's off, I mean everyday it was something.
What is the cpm you would want for this type of work?
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My uncle did something similar to this,only he hauled stone dust for a blacktop company for about 18 years.At least 10 loads a day about 12 miles one way.He would start about 6 am and finish about 7pm. Tandem axle dump truck Ford L900 534 gas engine 5speed and 4 speed aux transmission SQHD rears.Very seldom got above 40 miles an hour,would load 32 to 33 ton of stone dust then empty back to the quarry.He always had something broke or worn out from hauling so heavy. He made a ton of money doing this,but he would lay under that truck all night sometimes and even fall a sleep under it . So he goes out in 1985 and buys a Rd600 mack with the 350 mack and 12 speed transmission.Got a speeding ticket with it on his first load and payed a 500 dollar fine for refusing to weigh.he used to say he hated that mack and it caused him to get drunk every day.Now he could haul more and go faster but he made much less profit and had no one to help him. It may work for you but remember it will be all day every day and nights will most likely be spent working on the truck so you can work tomarrow
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For a dedicated run like this pulling a dump on short miles i would do nothing less than $225. a load. I did this type of work for over 5 years and if you can not make $650 or more a day its just not worth it. I had some of my best years doing short local dump work untill some one see's how good your doing and cuts the rates. My repair cost where the same for the dumps as running my flats the only thing the insurance will cost more for pulling a dump trailer because of the roll over chance.
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I have a 2010 Volvo and have hauled way worse and heavier than a small end dump. And it's not in a quarry where you are going to rough up the truck, it's all highway. And if I can't make connections in an area and get a deal on repairs that is within 50 miles from home (the furthest I will possibly be), I have a problem. If I am going to break down for something, it would have broken anyway doing even heavier hauling for someone else (and who knows how far I would be from friends then!!). For $40,000/year in additional maintenance, I would buy another day cab...or two, or three. 15 over, where did you drive that thing?!?! You must have had to do some heavy off-road stuff to have that much damage. But I did overstate fees...I would only need to be apportioned in two states. Take those fees and make it $12,000/year for maintenance. How many people set aside over $1,000/month for repairs for their on-road use only truck (not trailer)???
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I hauled a lot of sand for concrete companies, did some grain hauling for farmers, and a good bit of rock for different people as well. The rock quarry we hauled out of was a 12 mile dirt road, that was real rough. Most everything else was less than 1000 feet off the black top nothing real rough though. I know I had a road truck and let some friends talk me into selling it and buying a dump trailer because of all the money they claimed to be making. I grossed about the same per year, but my maintaneance cost went up 400%. I was lucky to get 100,000 miles out of a set of drive tires because of all the twisting and turning, that I normally got 350,000 out of. Every weekend I had atleast one of the tires off the truck or trailer doing brakes or a wheel seal. I mean it was something every day. I sold that rig after about a year and a half, and bought me another flat bed. I get more time off being on the road, atleast I come home and take a couple days off. when I had my dump trailer there was never a day off. If you weren't driving it I was under it working on it. I lost my butt trying to pull a dump trailer, and I will never even consider that mess again.
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RBHT, $650/day doing an average of 4 loads is only $160/load (not $225)...so where in the middle does it make sense? At $160/load, that is 480-800 ($640 daily avg for the year, like you said you would want per day)...at $225/load, that is 675-1125 ($900 daily avg for the year). The number of loads will solidly average 4/day for the year. It may go up as they have double-digit growth year over year, so that could only benefit me in the future if I have to do more. I would hope to get more than $160/load, but even at that, are you saying it's good? $175/load gets $700/day on average...is that in the "acceptable" range for you?
Does $700 seem reasonable per day?? It's almost meaningless without looking at costs. That's what I'm doing.
Keep in mind, the biggest cost after salary for me is a truck payment, which is paid off in 1.5 more years. At that time or soon after, the Volvo becomes the backup truck. I can see how riding 12 miles on rough dirt made life hell for you.
So the road truck (Volvo VNL780) would be pulling an end dump trailer just to straighten out things. A day cab can be had cheap as a back-up ready to roll. Or, to really commit, I can maybe sell the Volvo for two good day cabs and take care of that in the beginning.
per year for 2 trucks (keep in mind, only one will be used at a time):
$20,000 for truck payment
$9,500 insurance
$1000 bobtail ins
$500 workman's comp
$2000 permits and tags (or less as it is only 2 states, but for two trucks now)
20,000 maintence fund
$53k
Total, with $99,000 (is that estimate a little high or low for 137k miles?) in fuel, equals $152,000 total operating expenses.
If I charge $175/load at 1248 loads/year = $218,400
That gives $66,400 as a safe starting salary estimate...but may be more. I think putting $1700/month towards maintenance is a little on the high side ($20k/12months), but I put it in there anyway. That's a monthly salary of a little over $5,533 completely separate from any costs. I could just put $1200/month into maintenance fund and say I make a conservative $72k salary, but the good thing with throwing more into it is that it can go towards a replacement truck down the road.
Let me know if the cost estimates are off.
So is that doable or is it still not advisable??? Would anybody else recommend doing it or is it one of those things that is better for 'someone else' to try? Would anybody jump on that or what would be needed to make it happen/be safe? What reasonable expectations do I have for an offer? If offered $160/load, do I walk away? What about $170, $175 or more?
I would think at this price range, it makes getting another driver to step in once in awhile a lot easier to handle, especially putting away over $70k...give away $5,000 to a driver for a month off from work wouldn't hurt as bad. Did I mention you go home at night? Any thoughts?Last edited: Jul 13, 2013
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I dont see anyone paying over $160 per load. The only down side is the 4 load days. Is there a way to get the 4 loads moved in less than a whole work day? Local runs go way cheap. All someone needs is a tractor and insurance, dime a dozen, we got guys here that run dumps for $68 per hour. This is for providing just the tractor.
ETA: I forgot to add the other part in my original number.Last edited: Jul 12, 2013
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You could easily have $85/load just in fuel. I would figure $75 for driver. So you're not even close at $160. But my big concern here is still the drop trailer thing. I don't know the details, but if you have to drop a trailer that tells me that they must have no way to load a trailer quickly. If they have no way to load a trailer quickly how can you sure it will be sitting there loaded and ready when you get there ? This could turn into a nightmare of waiting 2 hours for every load. Also, if they have no way to load quickly, does that also mean they have no stockpiling of product ? Does that mean you may have to go pull a load out at midnight if they get it loaded ? IDK, you have the details, I don't. I'm sure there is plenty you wish to keep a secret. I know you think $300 is high, and $375,000 seems like an awful lot of money, but you could drop $150,000 of that just on fuel. If this winds up being an on call 24/7 think gonna need two guys making 60k to pull 12 hour shifts. you're down to $105,000 and we haven't even paid for anything yet.
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If you don't know trucks run on diesel or fuel NOT gas I'd find a different job. And You gotta pay taxes too don't forget.
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