I haven't seen a cost for the end dumps in your figures unless I missed it. And stop calling it gas. If I was taking bids on a job I had the first guy that called diesel gas would NOT get the job. Even if he was doing it for free
What is the cpm you would want for this type of work?
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Truckin'Hard, Jul 12, 2013.
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3-5 years...but yeah. If it is only one, that wouldn't work. How would I be using up more tires than 'you' are doing right now??? Same mileage as you expect to get...the trailers are provided for. I'm missing something. How am I going to go through a million tires in a year doing 130,000 miles, the same as anyone else out here, doing 98% highway miles...even more highway miles as a percent than some of you? Light loads and half are empty/deadhead on return? Am I missing something?
There are no breakdowns in no man's land...if anything, maintenance fund could be less. I see this as less risky than OTR.
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THINK about the loading site and the dump site.
Dumps are typically NOT kept on clean and pristine concrete all the time. You'll be travelling where? What are the load and unload sites REALLY like?
You will be turning and stopping 3-5 times daily. The turning alone will chew up your tires. Even on a tandem and empty.
Local work like this is NOT pleasant on equipment. You will have brakes to worry about as well.
I drive maybe 80-85,000 miles annually. That's all I try to work. The less the better. But with better revenue.
Sit down and write a full description of the route and all the maneuvers you will have perform. All the stops, turns, backing, turn arounds etc.
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It's dumped on concrete...everybody thinks this is yard work. It's not.
It's ok, we are talking about turns, backing in, etc. I get it. I would be surprised if there were more than 6 stop lights from start to finish. So $2,000/month for maintenance is not enough to set aside??? Really? -
Okay so the customer provides the trailer. Good. I would ask about maintenance on there trailers. Have you seen them? Would they pass a dot inspection. Who's going to grease them. Fix lights, tires things like that. I would sure ask.
MNdriver Thanks this. -
I would assume all of that is on me...possibly. If I am pulling it, I am responsible for it when I pull into a weigh station. Don't know though. The good thing is that there are no weigh stations on the route...there's one a few exits before and none even after...stroke of genius to have that work out. One less headache.Last edited: Jul 13, 2013
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I have spent $25,000 in maintenance on a truck and a reefer/dry van. A dump sure isn't going to be cheaper to run.
As was just asked. Dumps should have their pins greased daily. Is the driver going to do that?
You have to connect and disconnect the hydraulic hose every time. Sorry, but I have never been able to do so without losing SOME hydraulic fluid.
Bulk load sites still are not the cleanest even when on concrete/asphalt. Product scatters and is spread all over the place. It's a nature of the beast.
In short....
You seem to be more grasping at the positive and good only here and not planning for the worst case.
I didn't work this last year planning to succeed. I worked this last year planning to fail. What can happen next that would hurt me financially? And how will I address it? Always planning for the next contingency.
Low income and high expenses. What happens if you can't cover all your loads? You chew up tires like no tomorrow? Traffic prevents you from moving? Alternate routes? Cost to adjust to those routes?
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The loading facility is pristine concrete...nothing is on the ground. No scatter. Again, it just is...not even an issue.
The idea of me setting the cpm for the truck at $1.05 is the planning to succeed through adversity...way more than the average cost estimations by any stretch for good roads and light loads. MNDriver, that is how I do things too, because it's not just me that fails, there are a lot of other people depending on what I do. And let me clarify, I don't plan to fail. I plan to make things right and maintain something that is self-sustaining. If it doesn't make sense to start, then something needs to be addressed to make it work. But just saying, "Throw more money at it!" is not going to work if your business model has no plan to succeed. You don't leave things to chance...and you don't just double all cost estimates and hope that is going to work. If you are in one location, you can meet mechanics, meet dealers, meet drivers, etc. Maintenance will be much lower than OTR with less downtime...everything is at worst 50 miles away. Just have three mechanics: one in town, one at drop-off and one somewhere in the middle. Not complicated.
The alternate routes is a non-issue. At any point along the way, there are several perpendicular and parallel highways. Completely different set of highways adds 6 miles roundtrip...countless options. My friend got this 'hook-up' and it just changed everything for him. He started with NO TRUCKS at all...talk about going in blind with no assessment for real costs, except estimates. It's a different setup but similar enough, yet his is even more difficult as he had a lot more to absorb starting. I think he's glad I made him do it. And he doesn't even get the last numbers I talked about, which makes it even funnier. I think some of the people who have done, or do this, probably wouldn't want to speak up.
What do you mean you cannot run 100% of the time? That is what having a 'few' other drivers on speed dial is about...local drivers that you know and make relationships with. Wouldn't be hard when you have a home base. You can absorb losses like that when you have volume. It's economics. And it's recession-proof. 52 weeks a year...may switch to 7 days. Where my friend is, it starts next year for part of the year at 7. I guess I should tell him to quit then?...too much volume. Haahaaaa. I wonder what he'll say to that?
And no one is going to fail...it's designed not to. I know you guys don't see it, but it doesn't help anyone if it doesn't work out. You get this, and it makes things more consistent, stable and profitable...not the other way around. But if you can't see that from the beginning, it's probably not going to be a comfortable fit.
People who just say they want to get $500,000 to make it work with a $300,000+ salary for what is barely more than a one person job...I suppose that is why they are not doing it. -
then you totally are not following what I am talking about.
"Planning to fail" means you are looking at worst case scenario. How bad can things get on you before you have to close your doors?
Have you bothered to consider and exit plan? What will you do if you do decide to quit? A real business plan has both of those in it.
When you plan for failure, you have truly considered ALL options and what they mean and that then means you will succeed.
You seem to be painting a rose colored picture for yourself. I know bankers and finance type eat that up. Both of the ones I talked to and showed my plans to wanted to know why my expenses were high and my revenue low. I asked them, "Why do YOU think it's that way?" As soon as I said that his lightbulb went off and he understood my point of view. He had an "industry expert" review my plan and he said the same thing. "His revenue is figured too low and expenses too high. That doesn't make sense. Did he really consider what he was writing?"
Paint how you want and what makes you feel good. But feel good and rose colored glasses don't deal well with when things go bad. And Mr. Murphy is really prevalent in this business. Probably the only one you truly have a business partnership with in this business. -
Ok, I got it. But you have just as much chance to fail if you are OTR. Many of you have been stuck in the middle of nowhere with a load that you will not only not get paid for, but have to figure out a way to pay for towing it to a mechanic you don't even have a relationship with. All things being equal in terms of the driving being highway, the truck's cpm shouldn't be double just because you are going into business for yourself. I definitely put aside more to make sure I keep afloat, but it is not going to be used at the level you are suggesting.
For instance, if I already said I had 100k put aside to run a business, that should not change the truck's cpm or what I account for scheduled maintenance or emergency repairs or a replacement schedule...yes, there are small variations (new eqpt may have lower maint costs, or severe duty higher), but won't greatly alter how much I put aside for future repairs, permits, licenses or I risk depleting that fund in the long-term. Your chance for success or failure are predicated on what you do to make it work...including a back-up truck, option to rent a truck or trailer in an emergency (also accounted for), and extra drivers on-call..it's is all you can ever do. Once you include that in your plan and costs and have all of these in place, you're as covered as you can ever hope to be. You don't have to raise CPM again...CPM is different than the amount of money you have in your bank account.
Ok, I'm going to say it: even though it doesn't affect you at all in assessing revenues too low and costs too high because you are in 'island' in terms of working for yourself, it does come into play for more dynamic businesses when planning for growth. When business-types consider your situation and you look at anything above your minimums as a bonus, it works out the same for you. But that only applies to you. To put it short, when doing business with multiple different forms of income-generation and you can't figure out in advance which is actually making money, deciding when, if or where to expand, or where to place assets efficiently...you're going to have problems. For a driver that isn't considering expansion, but only maintenance and when to replace his truck, it's a lot more straightforward. I think we'd agree on that...maybeTake it easy.
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