Why aren't logs required for local work?
Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by ad356, Sep 22, 2017.
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1) limited to a 100 air-mile radius (115 statute miles).
2) released from duty within 12 hours.
3) return to your starting location to be released from duty.
4) the company keeps a record of your hours worked.
If ANY of those requirements are not met on any particular day, then you must complete the graph-grid to record your changes in duty status for that day.
Why?
Because HOS still apply, and you're still only allowed to drive 11 hours. It is next to impossible to do that working a 12 hour day inside a 100 air-mile radius once you factor in such things as loading, unloading, dropping, hooking, fueling, paperwork, vehicle inspections, etc... that will all be happening during the day.
But why the exemption?
Because I know personally I have had days where I was hauling rock 6 miles from a quarry, across a bridge into another state, dumping, and heading back for another load. Took 30-40 minutes to turn. Good luck showing loading, driving, unloading, and driving time in 15 minute blocks for 15 rounds, plus a fuel stop...AND KEEP IT NEAT & LEGIBLE! You'd spend more time drawing in that silly book than you do actually working.TaterWagon#62 Thanks this. -
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So if the company decided to send me to p.a. for that day a log would be required. I don't think they run out of state anyways. Just saying.
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Go over the 12 consecutive hours [staying inside that circle] and they expect you to draw a 'Grid Log' from memory....we all know how exact that will be...
Go outside the circle and you need to make a grid log for that day.
With the electronic stuff, you are still exempt but anyone who need to draw a log more than a few times a month will need the onboard setup.
Always remember to answer log questions with I am working under the 100air mile radius exemption...
When the DOT came in, I had 9 locations, each with a cadre of local trucks using the exemption. The auditor didn't want to see any of them, just the guys running the road and drawing logs.
Your employer has to keep the time sheets/cards and the infamous 'supporting documents' for 6 months incase the DOT comes in. An inspector asking my guy for his time card will get his plastic mag strip card he swipes through the clock to punch in and out...you are not expected to carry it with you.Toomanybikes Thanks this. -
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I know some of our drivers, where most drivers are on e-logs but they were not, would answer a request for a logbook by saying they are on e-logs. I've never heard of an officer going in depth on HOS after that. -
Also, in case anyone is still thinking state lines has ANYTHING to do with logbook exemption, crossing a state line has NO EFFECT on FMCSA requirement for logging. Cross no state line or cross 40 state lines it has no effect on requirement for a logbook requirementn for short-haul/100 air-mile exemption.buddyd157 Thanks this. -
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