Why CSA 2010 and E-Logs are a good thing.

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Theophilus, Nov 6, 2011.

  1. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    The trucks I usually get aren't from our 'fleet', they are from wherever the lease company can pick one up from the Nationallease network.

    Also due to when I have to drive, and availability of office personnel at those times, getting anything done in a timely manner would be problematic.

    And, just what I need, another hoop to jump through on top of everything else going on during a bad day.

    All to address a safety issue that is dubious at best, you replace experienced drivers with new CDL holders in droves and see what happens. Their premise is that the hard 14 fights fatigued driving, but all it has done for me is made me learn how to get it done, tired or not and sit for 10 hours to drive 4 hours or less usually and be off for 2 or more days. I can't afford to sit a whole 24 hours because I don't feel like driving for a few minutes, and taking a break that is worthwhile just isn't allowable as the rules sit now.

    I still cringe when I think of how easy it will be to 'get' drivers and companies after the fact. Think it won't happen here, just ask the guys from where they use tachographs.

    Also, if exceptions to the rules, like moving slowly, or starting and stopping to keep from going on line 3 and 4 or that ever present line 5 and overtime switches ever become common knowledge to the legal/judicial complex, the trouble generated could be mind boggling.

    As has been quoted ad nauseum, "To err is human, to really F(oul) things up you need computers."
     
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  3. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    I can't recall if I resonded to this or not, been that kind of weekend. So in the event of a catastrophic failure the system "should" indicate a failure. We've been faxing the previous days logs to the driver if the troubleshooting fails. We've made "safety" available 24/7 to help when issues arise, we're going to have to run more reports to help us to identify when failures occurr and drivers do not report them. It's not very often that this happens but we've had 3 drivers in the last year have an eLog failure and not report it, or run paper logs. I'm not sure of the thought process when you just stop logging all together, but that's something else I want to try to understand so we can take steps to prevent future occurrences of that behavior.
     
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  4. SillySam

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    This presents an unreasonable cost to my business. The EOBR is an invasion of privacy that will change the lives of all truckers. This gives the government the power to instantaneously track all class 8 trucks nationwide. There will be business ruined over this device. There will be lives ruined over this device. It looks like it will be mandated by the government at this point. There is no way that the EOBR will do ANYTHING to promote a safer environment. It will only pad the pockets of the likes of Qualcomm and the major trucking companies who are forced to get this thing. This will force small business nationwide to shut down their operations.

    There is NO WAY that the average citizen in this country when faced with the possibility of having their everyday movement tracked in their own personal vehicles that they would support such a measure. This is an INVASION OF PRIVACY like none before it. This is not about whether the technology is good or bad, it is about whether you should have it forced down your throat by the government no matter whether it promotes safety or not. And it DOES NOT PROMOTE SAFETY. There have been NO STUDIES TO SUPPORT THAT THE EOBR PROMOTES SAFETY. NONE.
     
  5. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    I can't argue the "unreasonable cost" to your business. However, the misconception of an "invasion of privacy" is hog wash! The EOBR in the trucks is no different than the "little black box" in a commercial aircraft.

    I have seen stories about cameras, and listening devices associated with the QC system, about companies installing video cams to watch the driver in the rig. Yet no proof, no documentation, just another "truckers story" being told at the truck stop coffee clutch legal beagle counter stool being repeated by another trucker and taken as "truth" only because another trucker said it was so. Or..."I got fired because they video taped me while I was driving and recorded my complaints about the company to others"...

    How will this "lives ruined over this device"...because law enforcement/DOT can track the movement of the truck "xx" amount of time prior to it being involved in a major accident? The "business will be ruined" for the same as noted in previous sentence, and the DOT/LE find that the company was forcing their driver(s) to run illegal under threat of job loss?

    Whether you know it or not...all vehicles manufactured since 2007 have computer chips in them that record the location and time when ever they travel over one of those sensors in the roads. You know, those square shaped cut outs in the pavement, with only the outline showing? That outline is a "cord sensor strip"...it tracks the vehicle by VIN, it shows the speed the vehicle crossed over it along with the time and date. How do you think these TV stations can show travel speeds of traffic flow in their traffic reports...by those sensor strips. I sat and talked to the scale in WA on I-82 and was allowed to see the traffic monitor and it's in-road sensor....it wasn't just trucks, but 4 wheelers, motorcycles...even showed some 5th wheels pulled by pick-ups. You think we aren't all being tracked....think again!
     
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  6. TheRoadWarrior

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    Otter your right. The sensorare in Vegas it can monitor speed and travel time to the next exit. Look at the overhead boards that tell u how long it takes to say a split in the road like in Vegas 15 to 215. When speed change or traffic backs up the sensors send the information to the sign and it tells drivers how long the drive will be.
     
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  7. Roadmedic

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    Did not think they were able to scan the truck on those things.

    Just the axles.
     
  8. FozzyNOK

    FozzyNOK Road Train Member

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    A few points. I am for EOBR's in trucks.. paperless logs also.

    We use the Peoplenet system and for almost every single driver who has come from papered systems, they would never want to go back to paper.

    I prefer the Peoplenet system over the Qualcom system.

    As for these systems being intrusive or out to ruin people's lives... the systems will SAVE drivers who deserve it and will not allow guilty unsafe drivers to tell tall tales and pass the buck.
     
  9. Autocar

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    Anything is possible at the lunch counter.:biggrin_2556:
     
  10. TheRoadWarrior

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    Roadmedic they have the sensors in the road that monitor the speed between exits. That gives the time it would take to get from say 95/15 to say the 15/215 . When traffic is backed up the sensors activate the signs to adjust the length of time it would take. It goes by traffic flow not as Autocar thinks at the lunch counter.
     
  11. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    Correct.
    A lot off those "traveltimes" you can see online.
    Caltrans is an example.
    Is also very common in Europe.

    Are there any systems yet to measure average speed over a certain distance?
    Those now starting to be used more.
    They take a picture off your licenceplate at the start ,another at the end off a certain stretch off road,calculate how fast you drove and if your average is faster then allowed............the computer just sends the ticket to your house.Works for every kind off vehicle.

    The camera's they have for the "weight in motion" system,on those you can see if the driver is wearing his seatbelt.
     
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