Why CSA 2010 and E-Logs are a good thing.

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Theophilus, Nov 6, 2011.

  1. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    The noncompliant carriers that brought it on themselves would have been the only ones forced to use EOBR's if OOIDA hadn't challenged the punitive action in court . FMCSA had to rewrite the whole thing and the result was EOBR's for all.
    Trucks with e-logs do not get waved on at scales. I have the stickers on my truck and have been inspected 3 times in the last 4 months . Some of our drivers have been put OOS for not knowing how to show the last 7 days logs or not having the required instructions for inspectors.
     
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    this is true my company has over 300 trucks and has no satellite no tracking no e logs and I run legal 99 percent of the time.
     
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    I don't think that the OOIDA lawsuit had anything to do with the fmcsa wanting all trucks to have eobr's. The major carriers who have been pushing this and those who have invested in this technology stand to make billions of dollars. This has never been about safety. It was pushed as a safety issue in order to garner support and to justify the requirement. There is a study that is currently being conducted by a group in Virginia to see if having eobr's will actually make roads safer. Since it is being funded and under the close scrutiny of the fmcsa I think that the results may be suspect. I would have more confidence in a study if it were done by a third party who had no interest in the outcome. In fact, it would be good if OOIDA or another group would do a study themselves to see if it would make any difference. From talking to those who currently use elogs, I think the roads would be safer using paper logs.
     
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    i'll defentily be keeping an ear open on for that virginia study.

    there's no doubt that roads would be much safer on paper. those that disagree have no brains.
     
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    The results will be statistically insignificant, there are too many other contributing factors that cannot be calculated to truly determine whether paper or eLogs reduce accidents.
     
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    RickG Road Train Member

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    Is this the group doing that VA study ?
    . http://atri-online.org/
     
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    Yeah , that institute just came out with a study showing speed limited trucks have less accidents . ATA claims that the results of that research shows that all the research done by other researches in the past 3 decades is wrong .
    The one thing I have to give OOIDA credit for is when they give info it's legit . ATA data is half truths and skewed statistics . The problem is ATA has deeper pockets and OOIDA members just pay their membership fee and sit back in silence letting OOIDA be their voice .
     
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    snowwy Road Train Member

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    i fail to see how speed limited trucks could have less accidents.

    after all, it's all about your surrounding and being aware. and making sure you have good breaks.

    a 55 mph truck is just as good a chance as a 75 mph truck. or am i missing something in that logic?????
     
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    Stopping distance
     
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  10. BigBlueTrucker99

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    I have been out here on the road for several years, I find it funny you call me an outlaw trucker, cause I am a US Marine Vet. Let me tell you rookies something, I was Marine Corps Supply, With that being said When my Marines need it, its my job to get it to them or Marines die! My supply lines won't stop cause you wanna say I can work 70 hours in 8 days or 60 hours in 7 days!

    Here's some staticstics for everyone, 90 percent of accidents that involve semis are actually done at truck stops or terminals. A truck backing into another truck or trailer cause the Driver failed to get out and look. So that means only 10% of accidents involving a semi happen on the open road! Of that ten percent Companies that trucks can't go over 65 mphs is the cause of 9% of those accidents! So everyone saying a 75 mph is more likely to be involved in accident than one that goes 55 mph is a false statement! In a truck that is open up I can drive 11 hours and not be tired but know I must shutdown cause of HOS! However in a 55 mph I am tired after driving just two or three hours on the road after a full ten hour break cause the heat and slowness make me drowsy!

    CSA 2010 don't effect me cause Kentucky don't have CSA lol! Heres how the CSA really works, you get a speeding ticket say in Illinois, you have to pay Illinois the fine but its up to your home state federal judge to decide how many points to put on your CSA or License not the state of issuing the ticket. Therefore since Kentucky is a Commonwealth they will not take or hurt the hand that feeds you. Therefore our Federal Judges say no points no matter what you get on the road!

    As far as you think Elogs will stop the outlaw drivers actually it won't! Here's why it won't, The Dot requires that if you have so many trucks the trucks are suppose to have the capability of Elogs, but its up to each individual driver in the company to decide to run paper logs or elogs not the company. Companies like Knight and Werner and others say its mandated to run elogs and its not. Fischer understands this rule we have half our drivers on Elog and the others are on paper! They leave if up to the driver not the company! So us outlawers are still running hell yeah!!!
     
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