Why CSA 2010 and E-Logs are a good thing.

being you want to enforce laws that affect my livelihood and then punish me for not adhering to said laws, i think it is rather prudent for you to at least back up what you are enforcing

the state of Minnesota went way overboard in trying to put drivers out of service, it was beyond ridiculous, but along the same lines of the original post in this thread

(that if its the law, it must be good)

that approach does nothing but lead to tyranny, and to be honest, why would any truck driver want to operate a truck, with one leg tied to a ball and chain?

in the case of minnesota, it was two balls and three chains, thank God OOIDA stood up to it, as they are standing against these elogs

i see almost every political post here decry communism, socialism, fascism, and tyranny, but when it comes to elogs, we are too willing to bend over and enforce laws that do nothing but monitor and control drivers to the detriment of their income

i am really perplexed that so many drivers are accepting it

 

a lot of guys just never knew how to log

they complicated the manner of how to log, so many drivers were driving in "non-compliance". hence the spike in non-compliant drivers

why did the fmcsa change the rules in the first place? why are they looking to change them now? if the laws were perfect before, they never should have changed them, if they were not perfect, they should never have enforced them

this is not some tea-time at Benny's, this is the livelihood of a few million workers we are talking about

now, if we make it further complicated, you will find more drivers out of compliance, and then the FMCSA will promote stricter policies and more monitoring because "so many drivers are out of compliance with HOS"

well, DUH

the issue should never be compliance with HOS, lets see what makes the roads safer and what makes the drivers less tired. we are so caught up in the rules of HOS is if they are infallible and overlooking the premise of the arugment

if drivers stopped letting companies push them beyond tiredness, if drivers learned how to stand up against others dictating how to do their job, that should resolve these problems

but we are doing the complete opposite, teaching drivers to become more submissive to wacko authority, and making the driver more and more dumber by adhering to policies that make no sense

 

thats not going to happen

but a better comparison would be for these dispatchers and safety guys to sit at their desk, punch a clock every time they stopped working, everytime they went to the bathroom, everytime they took a cigarette break, of course, they cant go home for lunch

they can only be paid by the hour

and at the end of the day, they are shut in the office and told, you are off work, but you cant leave the building (in a week or two or three, you can go home for a day or two)

and of course, the state of minnesota would take away the tv and magazines at night and not allow them to drink coffee in the morning

 

i find it hard to believe a man has driven 33 years and never fudged his book.....not once,well ive been out hear a long time to and never new anyone who hasnt,now dont call me an outlaw or scumbag,because you dont know anything bout me.if you made it 33 years and NEVER fudged 15 minutes or thru it in bunk and said im going home kids sick or whatever,than your a standout among you fellow drivers,and enjoy your e logs

 

Who's fault is it that the never knew how to log?

 

interesting question

firstly, lets start fresh, why do we need logs in the first place? from what i have been told, companies used to make drivers drive 24hrs straight, resulting in fatigued drivers and numerous accidents, so logs were established as a way to keep the companies from driving the drivers like horses (you shouldnt even run horses 24hr straight)

the logs were initially there to help drivers, but we seem to have gotten lost along the way

instead of the logs just keeping a tally of how long a driver is driving, now it is used to FORCE a driver to NOT drive (cart before the horse)

no one wants fatigued drivers, even super truckers dont like fatigued drivers, but along the way the idea is now to force people into this (one rule for everyone) and how can you dictate sleep for anyone? and then for other drivers to repeat this "if you drive illegal" nonsense, as if driving is a crime now

but to answer your question, many old timers just never realized how DOT was making HOS the crux of driving

i remember not too long ago, for myself, if you came up to a scale and your logs were not current to the minute, the cop would give you a minute to adjust your logs

then a few years ago, this major push was made, so unless you sat in some England or Prime orientation class you were not made aware of the numerous changes and emphasis, so drivers just drove as they had been driving

DOT started adding up the numerous violations and instead of educating the small companies, the O/O's and so forth, they come up with this Elogs as a solution

the new drivers love it, the old ones realize what it truly is, and here we have this diverging opinions

what to do? go back to basics, we have gotten lost somewhere between allowing a man to drive safely, vs making his livelihood dictated by nonsensical laws and computers

 

Yea, I am. I happen to live in the real world, not Fantasy Land.

 

Who said they've never falsified a log in 33 years? I know I did, many years ago. Did the outlaw deal, when it was the common thing to do. I haven't in the last couple and I'm not even on E-logs.

 

So only the big companies are responsible enough to train their people. Ignorance of the regulations is a very poor defense. You're supposed to be professional drivers, not just drivers. Most professions need to do some sort of continuing education.

So if eLogs is the problem, educating yourselves and keeping current to the changes in your profession would be the answer.

 

How dare you push for personal responsibility!