Why do so many Americans hate European trucks?

actually scandinavian,

only them use something like this

even danmark use more european versions

german law is not very good with this additional axle behind tractor, such things are banned since 1985 and they bring law that require minimum 2.5m between last axle on truck and first on trailer, however with heavy haulage it is not completly clear what is not legal what not, some trucks from DK that visits germany often have it

since germany is in center of europe and have strongest industry most of heavy haulage is depending on germany , you may load or unload in germany , or pass trough , so most trucks are adapted for german laws

and it allow:

front two steered axles are allowed to have each 7.5t -16500lbs
rear two axles can have each 10t- 22000lbs,
if it is 6x2,8x2 drive axle can have 11.5t(25350lbs) but both no more than 20000kg (44000lbs)

trailer axles can have up to 10t -22000lbs
trailer with separate axles can have 12t -26500lbs , those are pendulum axles , in recent time independent mc pherson suspension
trailer with separate axles and 8tires per line can have 20t-44000lbs

with some special permits you can get 13000kg per normal axle with 4tires, and up to 26000kg on axle line with 8tires , but this is on lower speeds


also NL law, would allow only maybe 45t on tractor , altrough it is difficult to put 9t on front axles as they allow, and 4x9t on trailer axles,
NL law allow 9t on trailer axle, and 13.9t on pendulumaxle

in france you need 1.5m axle spacing on trailer


this trailer in video is more american style , they are lighter than our, since some scandinavians have bridge laws, they use this kind of trailers to spread weight over min. 18m

our trailers have either jeep dolly, ( simple cheap version) or integrated dolly
such trailer could hardly works here, here we need 65degree axle steering for more serious jobs, those normal axles offer max 45

in iceland they often use american trailers for heavy haulage


here is r730 8x4 from wallek from münich, driver is serbian i am quite good with his grandson (who gave me picture), it is hooked to scheuerle/nicolas formula7 trailer with 2+5 axles trailer is 26250kg empty, it is pretty interesting because of very specific neck , it saves about 2400kg comparing to normal solutions, also because as you can see trailer also have additional 2 axles in front, they weight 6.12t

all together max legal weight is 143t , scania is 11900kg empty, all together payload 98730kg

 

Well, true, no OEM is selling a 700 hp engine. There really is not that big of a demand anyway. I probably would not buy one. Not saying no one should. Folks should be able to buy what they want. I just have no use for some 18L 700 hp engine. That is just me. I am quite happy with my Series 60 12.7 500 hp. Even it I was in the market to buy something new, it would probably be something in the 13L 500 hp range once again. Weight savings being one motivation. And I think the OEM's also figure that there really is not enough of a market for something with 700 hp or more. You would have to ask them. I have no dog in that hunt. Just not interested in something like that.

 

I agree that in normal application 700hp is probably not the greatest idea for economic reasons.
Heavy haulage like in the above videos/pictures it seems to make sense.
I am almost certain many of the American heavy haulage trucks are in that range as well.
Perhaps not standard but tweaked to the 650hp range.

 

Is euro 6 equal to EPA 10 emissions wise....?

 

It's like a set off brother and sister twins.
The same DNA but there are differences.

 

There is another reason not to buy those V8 Scania's.
Unless you are running very heavy loads (140 000lbs-60 000kg) they have problems with getting enough heat in the exhaust.
This causes the extra fuel injector (located in the exhaust) to run all the time which then leads to terrible fueleconomy.

 

as for e6 , scania recommend to chose one engine step weaker to keep temp stable

i wonder how much problems would have construction trucks, crane trucks, timber to keep temp stable , many operator for those trucks chose latest euro5 to avoid cost and problems

here as much i know we dont have single 520 , most are 580 and low number of 730 , recently 3-4 of 730 streamline get here,

i think scania should make at least one v8 without egr to avoid higher fuel consumption those scr only are really good on fuel ,also this would keep temp higher

 

i have question for american members

how does your law see winter service trucks?


here companies that deal with winter service were trying to get lawmaker to adopt rules for them , to consider winter service truck as work machine but they say no way,

they work more than law allows, police tolerate them this but it is against of law

my brother woke up yesterday in 5 in morning, went to work ,work from 6.30 until 15, went to collage,have class until 21h, went in company because of night shift ,worked from 22h until 8 in morning , went to collage, was already late had some exams , had classes until 21, now he went to winterservice until 8 in morning all that with 10minutes of sleep, and lot of sugar



last time when we had snow he was working 2 days , +with some time before and after, when he is prepared in their base , he cant sleep there he says it stinks , everyone are snoring and it is too hot, some are smoking in rooms and there is 40 bed in one room

so he is in living room , but they dont allow alcohol anymore because they had problems before

once they lost grader , they were drinking in bar and when they were already drunk , grader driver sit in plowtruck , and they visit other bars
and could not remember where he left it , they could not find it for 3days

those guys who "are prepared" were among most drunk people at all, i remember when i was young and i was visiting those places with my father as he used to drive salt for them , they would watch porn drink play cards

 

If your plowing for a state or local government I believe there are no hours of service. The weight laws do not apply. They load those things up.....and plow till done. With a few naps.....

If your plowing private jobs with a big enough truck for a cdl, all rules apply...

 

After reading back several pages I decided to throw my opinion I'm this ring of discussion.

I'll start off by saying I used to hate "Euro" style trucks because of the way they look. I still don't care for them but at least now I have a small understanding as to why they have to be like that. After playing a computer trucking game called "Euro Truck simulator 2", I've seen some of the streets and towns that they have to go through. There are mods you can install so the towns are almost exactly like the real thing. Anyway, I know it's a game but it does an extremely well job at replicating it.

Secondly, I don't care that all of the trucks are automatics and are pretty small. I enjoy having the option of buying a truck with an 18 speed manual and a 70"+ sleeper. Now, do I "need" that big sleeper? No, not really, but it's what I'd want, and the great thing about America is we have options for that stuff. It's the same reason I had a camaro with a 6.2 Liter V8 as my daily driver, did I need it? Nope, just wanted it.


If our streets and towns were small like over there, I could see us having trucks like yall have across the pond. Though we have huge road systems, and towns that aren't always too small, unless you get into the north east. Those trucks just aren't needed over here.


I'm not bashing "euro" style trucks, I just wouldn't want to drive one everyday.