Why do so many Americans hate European trucks?

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  1. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    I don't know what is considered a euro zero, but over here the vast majority (99.9%) of complete glider sales have a ddec iv, n14 select plus, or 3406e cat engine. That would make them 1998 to 2002 engines.
     
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  3. Cat sdp

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    Stick to tulips.....
     
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    Yes, but Euro III as a minimum. It's impossible to sell Euro VI trucks if your competitors from China etc. don't, and if the dealer infrastructure to support such trucks just isn't there. But even India is going to use Euro VI in a couple of year.
    Sounds a bit odd, since the emphasis these days is on CO2 (= fuel consumption). Euro VI trucks are more fuel efficient than Euro V trucks.
     
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    Must have hit a nerve.
     
  6. KVB

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    EPA98-2002 is more or less equivalent to Euro-III, but used different test cycles.

    Below CARB paperwork for the Detroit Diesel 12.7, probably one of the most popular glider engines.
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    The pre-EGR Detroit Diesel Series 60 had similar BSFC (brake specific fuel consumption, directly related to engine efficiency) values as modern EURO-VI/EPA13 engines.
    And they did this without variable speed water pumps, variable flow oil pumps, low viscosity engine oils.

    Not a complety fair comparison, I know, but if you look at total fluid consumption (diesel + DEF), the old S60 did as good as , or better than even the best of the latest generation EURO-VI and GHG17 engines.
     
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    Gliders have been around a long time. My 1982 KW is a glider.
    No politics, wrong forum. EPA over reach and leftist environmentalist views are allowed in politics forum.
     
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    Yep. I had an 84 k100 glider. Gliders are not a new thing.
     
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    Keep in mind there were several generations of the 12.7. Ddec 1 thru ddec 5. Ddec 4 was the last one without an egr, which makes it the preferred 12.7 for a glider.
     
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    I would say that real life numbers give the advantage to the latests engines.
    I will acknowledge that there is not a big difference.
    It also depends from your viewpoint.
    I have bought 3 trucks in my O/O career.
    The last one was the cheapest with the most options and the big emissions on it.
    Had i lived in NA it would have been the most expensive off the 3 by far.
    Here i pay roadtax by the mile.
    NA you don't.
    Changes the numbers again.
     
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