Why do so many Americans hate European trucks?

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  1. sdaniel

    sdaniel Road Train Member

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    These point s have been made 3 times already , he just doesn't care for facts.
     
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  3. sdaniel

    sdaniel Road Train Member

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    I have owned both. A both have their place . Nether are wrong just different. Yet he insists, his way is the only way.
     
  4. Caesar

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    That is what I mean.
     
  5. sdaniel

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    What , is what you mean ? He just explained where your thinking is flawed , and you reply, "that is what I mean" ? Length laws may get longer , not shorter. In order to increase productivity, and reduce those emissions , longer and heavier trucks were proposed. The 33 foot twin proposal was not asking for extra weight. But the same politicians who push reduced emissions at any cost,were saying extra road damage was the reason to turn it down. Same weight , on the same number of axles just longer. 20% more freight per truck , 20% fewer trucks . 20% reduction in emissions. Few larger companies already built some 33' trailers. As former chairman of the ATA said heavier trucks are already here, container trucks run at 105k now with permit.
     
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  6. rollin coal

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    Doubtful fuel taxes will ever be raised to outrageously expensive and wasteful European levels. As a producer and bulk consumer of fuel it was always be relatively cheap in NA. Amazing what tax burdens Euros will tolerate from their intrusive, excessive governments. They're even conditioned to such a point they think it's a good thing.

    "Euro-think" has already creeped into the legislative process with regards to gliders. That will put a lot of people in my home state out of work and force undue hardship on small owner operators. Such a small segment of the market. The pollution is negligible.

    In Europe small owner operators are a very rare thing. The regulatory and tax burdens are so onerous. You guys think the small guys are under attack here. They're virtually non-existent in Europe. The governments there aren't conducive towards individually minded people going out on their own and starting their own business.
     
  7. Accidental Trucker

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    Economic theory predicts this: regulations always favor large, entrenched interests over small, innovative interests. You are absolutely right that the European governments despise the small operator. The government feels out of control, and tries to eliminate the small independents. As a results, average operating margins of businesses tend to be much larger in Europe, partly to offset regulatory costs, partly because of the larger barriers to entry.

    What happens is that a lot of the innovation gets sucked out of the industry. Who invented the air ride seat? An owner operator. How many O/O's have played with new technology such as propane injection? Large, entrenched companies just do not compare in innovation to our small legion of O/O's.
     
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  8. Caesar

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    Yes, it's much better in the US:

    JUST THE FACTS U.S. Economy Would Benefit from Rebuilding America’s Transportation Infrastructure In Road to Growth: The Case for Investing in America’s Transportation Infrastructure, Business Roundtable outlines the economic cost of neglecting the nation’s transportation infrastructure and the positive effects of rebuilding it for the 21st century: ◗ America Is No. 16: The United States’ overall infrastructure quality ranks 16th, behind Germany, France and Japan. ◗ Highways and Bridges: Urban highway congestion cost the economy more than $120 billion in 2011, and nearly one in four bridges in the national highway system is structurally deficient or functionally obsolete. ◗ Waterways and Ports: Lock delays, port congestion and lack of facilities for larger ships added $33 billion to the cost of U.S. products in 2010. ◗ Aviation: The United States is home to just four of the world’s top 50 airports, and aviation congestion and delays cost the economy $24 billion in 2012. ◗ Transit Rail: Only 25 percent of transit rail station infrastructure is rated “good” or “excellent.” Increased investment in public infrastructure leads to significant economic benefits: ◗ Up to $320 billion in economic output would be generated in 2020 if U.S. infrastructure investment were boosted by 1 percent of GDP per year. ◗ 1.7 million jobs would be created over the first three years by an $83 billion infrastructure package. ◗ As much as $3 in economic activity is created by every $1 invested in infrastructure. The nation’s leaders can change course and rebuild this vital national asset. It’s time to strengthen our economic foundation by reinvesting in transportation infrastructure. Learn more about how investment in America’s transportation infrastructure will pay off for all of us at brt.org/road-to-growth.

    That only proofs that taxes should be lowered, so that bridges will not be repaired and can collapse. In case you didn't know all this, it took me about 10 seconds to find it.
     
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  9. rollin coal

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    Lower taxes spur growth which in turn creates more tax revenue. This has always been the case.

    More than enough fuel tax and other streams of revenue flow into the federal coffers every year to pave the highways in gold here in the US.

    The problem is we send welfare to practically every country in the world and waste resources militarily on first world countries that should really be left to their own fate.

    Money that's collected from transport taxes and such should go to infrastructure but it simply doesn't. It's wasted and frittered away.
     
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    nothing overdone, this is pretty much standard truck , built on allwheel drive tipper AK chassis.

    8x8 , only thing not everyday is WSK clutch and big tires.
     
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    M70 pump is hooked to Mercedes Actros 4148 8x4 truck, So despite high weight with good combination of chassis suspension and driveline, even 8x4 can do that.....


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    I guess poclain is trying to show how bad is standard solution and how good is their product
    with locked interlock it would be better situation , but still that truck is nothing in terrain, no axle articulation, wrong weight distribution and other proportions , no hub reduction axles etc.

    i dont like actros 5th wheel position , it should be some 15cm back
     
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