Why do so many Americans hate European trucks?

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  1. AModelCat

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    I have noticed few things related to Euro trucks in Australia,

    Euro manufactures give much higher GCW ratings for same specs than here.....

    for example:

    Scania 130ton rated road train would get 78ton here. ( single reduction axles, overdrive gearbox 3.8 ratio)
    Scania 175ton rated road train would get max 100t here (light hub reduction axles, overdrive gearbox 3.67 ratio)
    Scania rated for 200ton would be rated between 120 and 160ton here depending on ratio


    Mercedes rated for 170ton in Australia( double overdrive 4.33) would get here probably 100ton, for 120t we need 4.833 ratio.

    Volvo trucks also , here if you want more than 100t it need to be at least 4.55 diff.



    I think there are much worst places on earth than Australia, and Euro trucks are used without problems, now maybe it would be difficult if something go wrong on Eu trucks in middle of nowhere , but i think they can hold up pretty good.
     
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    that is too worst thing i have seen

    some facts,
    Trucks in use 24/7 trips between
    Gross weights up to 250tonnes 550 000lbs ( depending on load, and trailers but no truck have under 175 tonnes 386 000lbs)
    Legal axle weight 44 000lbs 20tonnes
    Temps 110F are not unusual 43C
    High humidity , nearly 100%
    Lot of rains
    Lot of mud
    even 12% hills

    Usual math is like, 45km 28mille in one direction, 10trips per day, cca 320 000km per year, cca 200 000milles, they keep trucks for 10years,that is 2million milles or 3.2mil km

    That is only place where Volvo dont force its i-shift


    Imagine how much strain take that driveline, if axle loaded with 10tonnes/22 000 lbs lift like that
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    Euro 4 dates back to 2005.
    Euro 6 is current emission level in Europe. All heavy trucks sold after spetember 2015 have to comply. Newly introduced trucks/engines had to comply since September 2014, but quite a lot were sold before that date because of tax advantages/subidies/etc.

    Emission levels for the most important (but not all) exhaust gas components:
    Euro 6: NOx 0.4/0.46 g/kWh, NMHC 0.13/0.16 g/kWh, PM 0.01 g/kWh
    (0.4 vs 0.46 and 0.13 vs 0.16 depending on test cycle, steady state vs transient)
    NMHC = Non-Methane HydroCarbons, PM = Particulate Matter

    EPA10: NOx 0.2 g/hp.h, NMHC 0.14 g/hp.h, PM 0.01 g/hp.h

    Keep in mind that 1 kW equals 1.34 hp, so to compare the numbers you would have to multiply the Euro numbers by 1.34, or divide the EPA numbers by 1.34.

    Test cycles are not completely the same either, so it is not a direct comparison anyway.
    Basically euro6 and EPA10 are very near, EPA10 probably a bit more stringent.
     
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    The European manufacturers may well give their trucks a higher rating in Australia but the fact is you don't see them on road train work unless they have been given to a company to try out. No way would you have a 170 tonne road train with a 3.8 ratio, you would never get it moving from a standing start without doing damage.
    Scania, MB and others like to give their trucks to road train operators so they can photograph them and use them in advertisements, but after a few months they are worn out or broken.
     
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    it is from 1/2014

    1kw is equal to 1.36hp ,

    1PS= 75kg in 1m/s= 75kg*g(9.80665m/s)=735.5W => 1kw=1/0.7355=1,3596PS
     
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    New Macks are generally specced with air ride and are very comfortable. Unfortunately since they were bought out by Volvo reliability has gone downhill with the MP8 and MP10 engines which are basically Volvo engines with "Mack" stamped on the valve cover. Camelback suspension is ancient history.
     
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    You are probably right on introduction of euro6. I found different data. One says September 2015, other says From December 31 2013. So I agree with 1/2014.

    1 hp is not same as 1 ps.
    usa horsepower is not same as what we use in europe, there is about 2% difference.

    Check here: http://www.rapidtables.com/convert/power/kw-to-bhp.htm
     
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    You are probably right on introduction of euro6. I found different data. One says September 2015, other says From December 31 2013. So I agree with 1/2014.

    1 hp is not same as 1 ps.
    usa horsepower is not same as what we use in europe, there is about 2% difference.

    Check here: http://www.rapidtables.com/convert/power/kw-to-bhp.htm
     
  11. AModelCat

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    Walking beam in general is pretty much history. Might see the odd Chalmers suspension but pretty much anything built to last with air ride is running Neway.
     
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