Why do so many Americans hate European trucks?

Scania use Opticruise for the R580 200 tonnes coal trains there in Indonesia.
Clutch life with manual gearbox is too short.

Below is ECU read-out. Average fuel consumption 119.5 liter/100km, or 1.97 mpg.

 

True. Some of the Europeans on here have seen an imported 1980s American truck in a European truck show or something and think all new American trucks are like that. Walking beam and Camelback went out with the ark except for real heavy off-road.

 

Yup. Here is NA vs Euro for you. The Scania is the only 2016 Euro tractor listed on Truckpaper.com

 

Oh heck yeah!

 

Both 2016. Driving in US, where you don't have to worry about thousand year old cities. Which one do you take?

 

Put a stock grill in that Pete, lose the hood louvers, and put straight 45 degree miter cut pipes on it and it'd be perfect.

 

Real dump truck ....



http://m.truckpaper.com/ListingDetail/Index?industryName=truck&listingId=6387953&categoryId=217

This is a quarry truck...



http://www.cat.com/en_US/products/n...three-axle-articulated-trucks/1000001573.html


Most of the quarries around me used to use old dump trucks around the crusher/pit. Now everyone has gone to the articulated 3axle rock truck. So there is no need for a 140,000 lb rated ridged tipper.....

 

I found the "bone crusher" comment amusing. Surely he has never driven a truck like in that pic. He certainly wouldn't be comparing a cabover to it if he ever did. I don't care how Euro cabs are attached to the chasis. There's no way they ride anywhere near as smooth as the Pete in that pic.

 

I agree with mitre cut stacks, but the other changes, it wouldn't be a class and ride edition, or whatever they call it.

 

Now let's sum up what happened.

I published a nice video showing how a Ginaf truck is hand build. I suppose that's always interesting for someone who is interested in engineering.

Pablo reacted, and said those Ginaf's are nice trucks, and you can get them serviced with any Paccar dealer, except for the very special suspension.

So I published a picture of the (very small) factory, and a video clip that shows how that suspension is used to autolevel the truck.

Then Mr. Bean Jr. explained that the Ginaf was very ugly, and that his much smaller Peterbilt looked much better. So I asked him to show me a picture of a NA dump truck of similar size.

Then Mr. Ozdriver stepped in, and showed me some big roadtrains, and told us that the avarage EU truck falls apart in 5 minutes.

I explained him that I had asked for a dumptruck, not for a roadtrain, and then he was quiet.

Mr. Bean Jr. explained that US trucks have a maximum GVW of 80,000 lbs (as if I didn't know). He also explained that the Ginaf could not haul as much on the road as the Peterbilt, because of its higher tare weight. Very surprising if the Ginaf has been build much stronger to carry a higher payload. By the the way, in Austria the max. GVW is 88,000 lbs.

Then Mr. Bean Jr. wrote "Your quarry dump truck is no better than ours, does nothing our truck can't do, so why would we import it when we have them here?". I never said it was better, nor did I suggest you should import them.

Then Mr. sdaniels entered the discussion, and totally agreed with Mr. Ozdriver. I would be confused by the truth.

Meanwhile Mr. King Q had made several contributions explaining that in his personal experience with both NA and EU trucks, the EU trucks are often much better. His contributions were totally ignored of course.

Mr. sdaniels showed us some pictures of NA dumptrucks. First a military dumptruck, then a big Caterpillar minetruck (why?), and then two 'normal' NA dumptrucks for the road. These two each have four additional axles mounted under the truck, But somehow it looks as if someone found some axles and wheels of an entirely different vehicle, and bolted them to these trucks, Not the most elegant design I have ever seen. Are these better looking then the Ginaf? Not in my view, and that is what I wanted to say in the first place. And then he shows a truck with two trailers, but that wasn't the question either.

Mr. King Q again explains that in Indonesia Volvo's held up much better then NA trucks, again no comments.

Mr. NorthernMechanic publishes a video of a 7 axle truck, and Mr. sdaniels is jubilent . "Should be rated at 148000lb . Now just mount a dump body on it . Northern , using facts just makes some people "Mad"." Not really. With 7 axles and only the front 3 steering, that thing has a steering radius of about half a continent. I already showed you a video of a Ginaf dump truck with a GVW of 210,000 lbs, just 5 axles, and the first two and the last one steerable. A 265,000 lbs version is in the planning.

Mr. rollin coal explains that "it is really rediculous to think we don't have or can't build trucks that heavy in NA." No one ever claimed that, but who cares. He follows that remark with some historical reflections that have absolutely nothing to do with dumptrucks, and some remarks about trucks from some 10 years ago.

Mr. 98989 then shows us some videos of very hard working Volvo and Mercedes trucks. You will have noticed that none of those clips lasted 5 minutes, so they were too short to see them fail as Mr. Ozdriver ensured us.

To make Mr. Ozdriver happy, another picture of a flimsy European truck pulling a roadtrain in Australia:



And for those who were impressed by that 7 axle truck, a video of a Tatra 16x8 truck with 1100hp, and of course with many more steerable axles. Also available as 16x16.