Why do so many Americans hate European trucks?

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  1. 98989

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    about syncro gearbox, manual gearboxes become really marginal, many brands dont offer it anymore due too low demand, in construction MB range you can get it if you pay for it.
    under skin there are more things that we cant see, different electronics, common things like ventilation, AC ...... and it makes lot of sense to share this
     
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    daf also introduced light hypoid drive axle for 6x4 /8x4 trucks, guess they are exact same as there.

    DD offer small MB axles that comes from light trucks....as daf105paccar told there would be more and more common,
     
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    I'm sorry, I misread and interpreted what you wrote. Very few people want to drive cabovers here. If there were enough, Freightliner would still be selling the Argosy as a new truck instead of a glider, and the other manufacturers wouldn't have stopped making them.

    What there is is nostalgia for the trucks of golden age of trucking, and of course, something that's different than all the mega trucks. That's why W900L, 389, and Western Star are still popular. If cabovers were common today, and one had a choice, based strictly on how the truck is for going down the road, cabovers would be as rare as they are today.

    I lament the disappearance of the cabover, but I'll take w900 over a k100.
     
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    From my understanding the only reason the argosy is only available as a glider is because all the extra room the new engines and exhaust systems need. There is obviously still a market for them or they wouldn't even be available as a glider.
     
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    on first though it is, but in Australia this truck is available with new DD engines, Australia will get euro6 soon ( or maybe already have). so it will be able to fit cooling and exhaust unit for sure.

    i think it can be certificate related, those permits are extremly tricky things, it is not problem to develop something, it is problem to test it, make certificats, you can find 100 A4 pages describing single part that fit on your hand. i think it is too expensive to make all those papers for relativly low sales.
     
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    So you are saying no such paperwork and certificates are required for the even lower sales of argosy gliders?

    Ya i don't buy that.
     
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    i guess they can use certificates they already own.

    certification is really complicated work, truck design( construction) could be same amount of work as certification and testing, and production organising could be same amount of work.

    homologation can be really tricky thing, it is worst in africa, asia is problem but not too big, eu is simple and standardised. we send all around, mostly china, all kind of things. recently had single fitted 315/80 tires on rear axle due to space on inner side, all kind of special bodies, my fav is demining ones.

    each part of truck needs to have certificats, from tires, wheels, bolts,hubs, bearings, axles, each suspension part.........

    as each country have its own standards i think it would be too expensive to make cert. for same truck in USA. since australian homologation is quite similar to ours, i think it would be easier to get argosy here than in usa.
     
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    But the argosy IS here. As a glider. Maybe you don't understand what a glider is.
     
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    i understand, truck without engine/gearbox or axles. you need to fit used parts and take vin. and i guess they can use old certs.

    if they want to offer it as new truck with latest emission standards , this would require huge amount of paperwork and it will be too low sales to cover money they spent.

    but for same truck ( argosy with DD15 Euro6 -epa 2010 for australia they would make certs. because it will be selling good there. since australian certs are similar to ours, it would be easier to get argosy euro6 here than same truck in USA.
     
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    I'm not following your logic. It sounds like you are saying those certificates aren't required on a new truck being sold as a glider.
     
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