Why do so many Americans hate European trucks?

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  1. Caesar

    Caesar Road Train Member

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    Excellent remark, thanks.

    You're right that steering axle loads in the US are very low. However from previous discussions on this matter I learned that this has nothing to do with legal requirements. With the appropriate tyres etc. it is perfectly legal to put more load on the steering axle in the US.

    For Australia it is another matter. Your axle weight limits are rather outdated, if I may say so. They seem to be based on very old British limits, and should be overhauled to comply with let's say EU standards. That would make truck building in and for Australia (and New Zealand??) a lot cheaper.
     
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    You have forget that they run on higher speeds and in case of australia more heat/bad roads plus higher speeds.

    You dont want to put extra weight in those cases.

    Middle east put weay more weight have worst roads than we di and drive faster...
     
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    I don't think higher speed is bad for the roads, however the tyres must be able to cope with the higher speeds.

    Which more or less proofs that it is possible to increase axle loads. In the middle east and third world countries, they always overload trucks. You will remember the DAF NAT/NTT series that was specially designed for those markets. A truck that was marketed as a 20 tonne truck was designed as a 40 tonne truck:

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  5. Caesar

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    I have no idea what you mean, but the MX engines you have are US produced versions of the previous European MX generation.
     
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    Seems that truck has problems with the US produced electronics, perhaps caused by a wiring problem. That may cause the motor management to malfunction, and that may cause overheating. Don't know what kind of turbos they use (the new MX generation in Europe has new turbos as well), but the turbos are not produced by Paccar.
     
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    I'm spoiled as I've only driven new trucks.I like the Pete 579 and Kenworth T680.
    They are quiet going down the road,their comfortable,good brakes,good vision out the windows.
    I've driven a Volvo and wasn't impressed.
    I like the looks of the Pete 579,but after driving one,I would never want to drive one on a permanent basis.I don't like the puny doors and windows or mirrors.
    Everyone has a different preference,thank God we have choices..at least for now,there is some variety,unlike the auto market,where everything looks the same.
     
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    Australia's Weight limits are far more liberal than New Zealand.Who have all sorts of Multi axle Combos to Comply with their (To me) Weird rules.
    We're allowed 6500kgs (14300lbs) on a Steer Axle..
     
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  9. Caesar

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    I don't think we have a Steer Axle as a separate type of axle in Europe, at least not in the Netherlands. It would count as a single axle with a maximum load of 10,000kg (22,046lbs). Because the steer axle is mounted more to the rear with an EU truck, far more of the weight of the engine, transmission and cab is carried by the steer axles as with the US design. Suppose Australia would also consider a steer axle as just a single axle, how much weight would it be allowed to carry?
     
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    Nz have really complicated rules. they have some relation between axle groups, far more complicated than in south africa
     
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    This explains It better than I can..
    https://www.nhvr.gov.au/files/201602-0114-general-mass-limits.pdf

    One thing though, Is we have National Weight & Dimension Rules.
    Unlike the U.S.A. with what appears be a Nightmare of Multiple State by State regulations..
     
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