Why do so many Americans hate European trucks?

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  1. Freightlinerbob

    Freightlinerbob Road Train Member

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    So does Europe have #1 Diesel like we have? Obviously in Nordic countries they must but what about the UK and Deutschland or further south?

    In western canada, you can buy fuel that is good for -40 C right in the coast near Vancouver. Winter blend is available from mid September till end of April. Further east from Vancouver it's all good for -40 or even -60 further north.

    Every year my milage JUMPS a full 1 MPG from May till September. Then reality sets in again. And I don't even fuel more than about 40% in Canada, shows what a drastic effect winter blend has on MPG.

    Chain carry laws are in effect 7 months of the year in BC as well.
     
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  3. Scania man

    Scania man Road Train Member

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    Can't find anything on that new cabover Pete only it appears on an Australian Facebook page, didn't think Pete sold trucks in oz

    i fount these rather interesting : http://www.commercialmotor.com/big-lorry-blog/the-export-only-international

    Note the rear lift axle, common in Europe, better fuel returns and better traction than a 6x4 http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/1a/f8/e4/1af8e46dd310fe8d0ef7617a7d23ded6.jpg

    Even NASA had a crack at improving the aerodynamics of the Coe http://www.rigsofrods.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16474&d=0
     
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    here we have only one two types of fuel , eurodiesel and bs , it is just different in quality and sulphur

    but there is no winter diesel or something like this, so since many of fuel station fill water and all kind of crap in fuel , when it is very cold you can experience problems with freezing of fuel, renault and man are common with this problems
     
  5. Scania man

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    Our diesel is different to yours anyways, you'd need someone better than me to explain it, Nordic countries mix kerosene with the diesel I'm told, I used ordinary fuel in the Nordic areas without any issues
     
  6. Freightlinerbob

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    Yes I think they mix kerosene in ours as well. Water in our fuel almost seems a thing of the past. Almost. Ever since fiberglass tanks replaced steel, condensation isn't the problem it used to be, it seems.

    Nowadays people heading into Canada will usually fill up before crossing the border but I cross low on fuel and fill as soon as I can to make sure I have no fuel related issues in the winter. I've never had a shot of bad fuel in Canada. Can't say the same about the US and often in Illinois where bio diesel is so prevalent, I can watch my Davco filter fill up in a week sometimes. But this is a quality issue, not a water issue.
     
  7. Studebaker Hawk

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    To answer the coe fuel economy question. The Argosy in the avatar has 1.5 million miles pulling every conceivable type of load and trailer. 500hp series 60 and a 13 speed. Overall ecm fuel consumption is just over 7 mpg lifetime and I don't baby it.
    In the last 2 years I have put on low rolling resistance tires, straight thru muffler, air tabs. Pushing 8 mpg now. A modern cabover, designed and built in the last 10 years would do better.
    That is largely the problem. Except for the Argosy, which was designed in the middle 1990's, all of the cabovers on UShighways were designed no later than 1980, the IH 9600, and most were well before that.
     
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    No, that is not a production model, it has been photoshopped from a peterbilt aero truck like a 387 or 587.
     
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  9. king Q

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    The Argosy gives a decent ride compared to the old American COE.
    Not in the same league as a new COE's from Europe but I could live with it with no complaint.
    The 1973 F series Mack COE I drove for 8 or 9 years was really good at the time.
    It had cab coil springs over shock absorbers at the back and a torsion bar at the front.
    With the mechanical suspension seat I was happy enough.
    Didn't know any better , bobtail on a rough road you would need to hang on tightly.
    In South Africa we are allowed almost 17000lbs on the steer so that is another reason conventional's are less popular as you cant get enough weight forward.
    Conventional's are defiantly cheaper to purchase and way cheaper to repair in minor front damage.
     
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    We do that here also .... In mid winter the blend is at least 30% Kero up to 50%.... Kero, diesel and #2 fuel oil are all very closely related.......
     
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  11. Icee

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    Once again differ country to county. Finland example have 4 different freezing point

    Summer diesel has -5/-15
    Mid diesel has -15/-25
    Winter diesel has -29/-34
    Arctic diesel -40/-44
    http://www.nesteoil.com/default.asp?path=1,41,535,547,557

    Car stations usually only have summer and winter diesel. Truck stations on the other hand have mid and winter diesel. Arctic you will only find to the far north in January and February. I usually only use mid diesel in the winter. Even through the temperatures drop below -15 or even -25 the tank on the truck is so warm that it will not be any problem leaving it of during the night. + under -25 I use the big v8 heater :) so the risk of freezing diese disperser

    On the other hand both Sweden and Norway use the same diesel year around and it really shows on the consumption, especially in the summer the truck will run much better on Finnish diesel.
     
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