WHY DO the HAMS always take over cb posts ?

First of all I would like to apologize on behalf of all ham radio operators who are not control freak nazis. I have been a ham operator for about ten years now and I have never met a more miserable group of controlling, holier than thou, and totally obedient government robots in all my days. Do I care that you have a 10 meter and talk 11 meter on it? NOPE. Knock yourself out. A lot of hams don't care. Then there are some who have a drink or two, slap the wife around, then come to internet forums to demand complete obedience from the unwashed 11 meter crowds. Don't judge all hams by the ones who spout off here. Some of us are kinda cool.

 

Dirtybusiness, no need to apologize. I knew nothing about ham radios, tried to find out about them and learn the how to's but it's not worth it for me. the less Gov't rules and regulations I have to read and deal with the happier I am and you are not wrong about the holier then thou crowd. plus I'd rather spend my money and free time having a drink or two and slapping the strippers on the hiney. Maybe that's why I still don't know anything about ham radios

 

SO I SLAP MY ITALIAN WIFE AROUND BECAUSE I WANT PEOPLE TO STAY OFF MY FREQUENCIES THAT I AM LISCENSED FOR! I'VE GOT NEWS FOR YOU, 1 SLAP AND HER 5 BROTHERS WOULD TEACH ME HOW TO WEAR CONCRETE BOOTS AND SWIM THE HUDSON.
Additionally, dual use CB and amateur radios of the kind at
issue here may not be certificated under the Commission's rules.
Section 95.655(a) of the rules4 states: `` . . .. ([CB]
Transmitters with frequency capability for the Amateur Radio
Services . . .. will not be certificated.)'' See also FCC 88-256,
1988 WL 488084 (August 17, 1988). This clarification was added to
explicitly foreclose the possibility of certification of dual use
CB and amateur radios, see id., and thereby deter use by CB
operators of frequencies allocated for amateur radio use.

 

I demand all 11 meter users to stay off my band's unless they are liscensed to be there and I will report anyone who does not obey the rules. They have trashed the 11 meter band, I won't tolerate it on Amateur Radio. I don't interfere wiht CB as I have a Cobra 25 stock in my truck along w/an Icom IC MKIIG.

 

Ihave a curiosity question, not being a smartalec. Since ham band go clean up into the netherworld, how come 11 meters is the choice and the opposition? Why wouldn't hams want to get farther away from the cb camp?

 

So if the Gov't says you need a special liscense to breed or they tell you what you can buy at the grocery store and you need a permit to buy anything else, I imagine you'd be right at the front of the line to get the permit. Turn your neighbors in if they bought a bag of chips that they were not supposed to, you'd have the gov't hotline phone# on speed dial 'cause you will not tolerate them bending the law, good luck with that

 

Unfortunately, this subject comes again and again. It is NOT about "holier than thou" nor is it about "obedient government robots". No one has said anything about CBers using their radios ON the CB band. Yes, from time to time it has been mentioned that radios carrying the label "10 Meter 'amateur' radios" that have BAND switches, more than the permitted 4 watts, and the capability of being modified to cover 11 Meters as well as the 10 Meter band ARE ILLEGAL TO BE SOLD, NOR MAY THEY BE USED EITHER ON 11 METERS OR BY PERSONS UNLICENSED FOR ANY FREQUENCY OTHER THAN FREQENCIES BETWEEN 26.965 MHZ AND 27.405 MHZ. What has CAUSED this is the use of 10 METERS by unlicensed persons (primarily truckers as it so happens) which creates unacceptable interference to the legal and legitimate users of that band. IF CBers had REMAINED ON 11 METERS, we wouldn't be having this argument. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! They had to have 11 Meters AND everything in between including 10 Meters which happens to BELONG TO SOMEONE ELSE BY VIRTUE OF LICENSURE! It is those durned "band" switches that is really the problem: Legal CB radios have 40 pre-selected channels and 4 watts of power. PERIOD!!!! There are NO 'extra channels", no additional power allowed.

The amateurs EARNED the privileges they hold by testing on radio theory and technical standards that is supposed to enhance the enjoyment of the hobby while minimizing any negative effects on other users. It is only natural that the amateurs would object to the presence of interlopers on their frequencies. The legal principle is the same as the principles of "ownership". YOU, for example, are allowed to "possess", or own, certain things such as property, food, money---other things that others may wish to TAKE from you IF they had the opportunity or advantage. But the LAW prevents them from TAKING things from you, and you can call upon the police to respond to someone entering your property, or home, to TAKE that which does not rightfully belong to them. On the one hand, we are, by complaining about the rules that apply to radio, we are saying that we want "rules" to apply to someone else, but we DON'T want rules to apply to US or "ME". Yet, if I came into your house and took food out of your fridge and you KNEW I did it, could identify ME, you cannot tell me that you wouldn't dial 911 and demand that the police come arrest me or STOP me from stealing your property from you! By the same token, when hams find that there are people operating their ALREADY ILLEGAL radios on THEIR frequencies, or bands, and report same to the authorities, they are
"holier than thou" or "snitches"! In both cases, persons are being deprived of the convenient use of property, money, OR, in the case of radio, an intangible commodity. A THIEF IS A THIEF IS A THIEF! It is a DOUBLE STANDARD to demand that legal remedies be applied to YOU, an owner of things, but NOT to the violators of radio law. IOW, you want it YOUR way and ONLY your way and the hams are "holier than thou". Stop and consider the irony.

 

The problem with you hams is that you don't "OWN" the airwaves no matter if it is 2 meter, 10 meter or whatever. You only "OWN" a card that permits you to comunicate on the airwaves (frequencies).

Lets put a new spin on things here.

Take the interstate highway system. It was developed by the gov for military transport of equipment as its primary function. Its secondary function was for the transportation of goods by truck but not for use by the general public to go driving around.

Us that drive trucks spent a good deal of time and money to get a liscense that gives us the right to operate a truck on these interstate highway systems along with other highways to ge the product to market.

So keep your little cars, pickups and suvs off of OUR interstates and stick to the county roads and intercity streets. Oh and them signs along some roads around big cities that say TRUCK BYPASS? Yep Stay of of them also. They are for trucks and not cars, pickups and suvs.

As for the use of 10 meter radios, BOO HOO, cry me a river. The FCC is doing very little about it and don't really care. I have been on QRZ and have read a few threads about hams complaining to the FCC about this very thing and how the FCC does little or nothing about it and how it takes many many many complaints before the FCC will even issue a warning to users of 10 meter radios and even more to get the FCC to fine the users.

The 10 meter radio market is not going away anytime soon and it just keep growing with more products on the market. People are buying them up in droves and there is nothing anyone can do about it. The Gov and the FCC may just as well leave it alone and legalize it just like some of the drugs that were once illegal but are now becomeing legal so they can be taxed.

Just like another member said, why should hams even care about 10 meter when they have many many many other frequencies that they can comunicate on.

The Hams should just be happy that we are not running full range ham gear in our trucks and that all we are using are radios that can transmit on 10 and 11 meter.

 

I don't really have a dog in this fight since I am not a ham, but I must say I do understand the ham's frustration over the 10 meter band invasion. They shouldn't have to go to another frequency to communicate, the 10 meter band requires a license, which they have all earned. As far as the interstates go, they may have been developed for use by Military/Commercial vehicles, but apparently at some point they decided it was ok for cars/trucks/SUV's to use it also. Last I checked, the FCC had NOT done that with the 10 meter radio band. My opinion is this: If you want to run an export or an amp, then do it. Just do it on the frequencies alloted for CB use, its still illegal but the hams don't seem to care what we do on the 11 meter band. Just an opinion, not trying to ruffle the feathers.

 

Well some of these self apointed radio police do take offense to using more then 4 watts on 11 meters. They take offense to us being able to get an export to use on 11 meters. They go on ebay and other sites and report people selling them. If they find a radio shop that is selling this stuff then they report it to the FCC and try to get the shop shut down.