Why not use gas engines?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Jbrow327, Nov 23, 2021.

  1. Flint1

    Flint1 Road Train Member

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    Kentucky passed laws favoring diesel for a long time.
    Gas was available in ford and gm chassis till about 2003. Gas, propane made a comeback 2010. Epa 2007, and epa 2010 diesels were terrible in school bus applications when they 1st came out. They have improved significantly yet still cause issues.
    Blue bird, freightliner(thomas) and international all offer propane or gas again. School busing is a low bid industry, for some it makes sense. I have 1 run that is primarily highway. That unit is diesel. Here is an Scr can off a 2016 cummins.
    As for the drunk, lead poisoning would work for him.
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  3. Cattleman84

    Cattleman84 Road Train Member

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    Lol... Bet that robs a few ponies!
     
  4. Jbrow327

    Jbrow327 Light Load Member

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    I thought torque did that type of damage, not HP?
     
  5. skallagrime

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    Think of it in terms of torque being the way you harness hp.

    So violent explosions carefully contained through overbuilt housings etc transfering it into rotational power.

    Then so long as all along the drivetrain, so long as the rotation is kept firmly in check, where the hp gets out is the hp, sooo, you have rotating wheels.

    But raw hp is like... leaving your brakes on and just tossing it in gear, the ponies want out, your driveline is now sheared or twisted, a gear failed, because the torque transmitted the hp to the weakest link in the chain.

    In order to do gas, you have to overbuild so much in order to keep things contained, its just not feasible when you have something as reliable as diesel
     
  6. Jbrow327

    Jbrow327 Light Load Member

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    I see. Thanks.
     
  7. skellr

    skellr Road Train Member

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    We can get 2050 torque at 950 rpm... "factory tuning options"

    Keep your gas
     
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  8. DRTDEVL

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    Uhhh... No.

    HP is nothing more than the mathematical equation of HP = (Force * Distance) / Time, or more simply stated for engines as HP = (Torque * RPM )/ 5,252. That is why:
    1. All HP/TQ curves on a dyno sheet cross at 5252 rpm
    2. Diesel engines always make more HP than TQ, as they operate at a much lower rpm.

    In colloquial terms, "Torque moves vehicles, horsepower sells them."
     
  9. God prefers Diesels

    God prefers Diesels Road Train Member

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    Thank you. Torque is just the measurement of rotational power. That number is useless without RPM, because it only tells half the story. Torque and RPM together tell you how "useful" that torque is. As long as gearboxes are a thing, horsepower is really the only number that matters, because horsepower is the measurement of how much work the engine can do over a given time.

    I look at it like two guys moving dirt with a wheelbarrow. One guy is twice as strong as the other guy, but the weaker guy is twice as fast. First guy can move a full wheelbarrow of dirt once per minute. Second guy can only move half a load of dirt at a time, but he can move two of them per minute. First guy has twice as much "torque" as the second guy, but the second guy has twice as much "RPM". In the end, they move the same amount of dirt, because they have the same amount of "horsepower".
     
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    skallagrime Road Train Member

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    Come up with a better way of translating it into a story that makes sense to people, diesel and gas are quite similar in that theyre both ice but also dissimilar due to bore, compression vs spark, etc etc.
    the math is good to know, but humans by and large are both uninterested as well as tune it out.

    Lets assume my story is functionally wrong, it is. But come with me for a minute and assume my 3406e was kitted out with something to spray gas instead of diesel and fitted with spark plugs, (never mind the exhaust system) are you telling me that the engine wouldnt implode or explode rapidly because you just tear things up running those rpms. Isnt that essentially why we use ether only cautiously?

    There isnt a true apples to apples here gas/diesel, hp/torque because theyre simply not the same thing, but there is a relationship

    Gpd story is good, but its still a math problem
     
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  11. skellr

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    Imagine you are cruising down the highway and hit a hill and start slowing down. You keep dropping gears until you reach the speed you have the HP to maintain that speed.
    Say you top out at 45 and then let off the throttle and slow down to 35... When you mash on the throttle to speed back up the torque determines how fast you will get back up to 45.
     
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