Will adding HP help with MPG's?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by EMCO_Trans, Jan 29, 2016.

  1. EMCO_Trans

    EMCO_Trans Light Load Member

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    I am having an issue with two of my trucks averaging around 4.5 mpg right now while the 3rd one is averaging 5.5-6. The two that get bad gas mileage are only 425hp and 435. C13 CAT is 435hp while the N14(black top) is 425. The truck that actually does decent on mpg's is a N14(red top) with 525hp. Is it because of the hp? I am assuming its easier for it to pull heavy loads than the other two? If you think adding hp will help let me know who you recommend to do it, thanks!
     
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  3. Derailed

    Derailed Road Train Member

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    What kind of RPMs are the other two trucks turning at highway speeds compared to the one with the N14 525?
     
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  4. RustyBolt

    RustyBolt Road Train Member

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    I can tell you from personal experience that my 05 C13 gets around 1mpg better after a 500 horse tune. However, it's not the horsepower that does it. It's the torque. Mine was set at 435hp/1450ft.lbs. It's now at 500hp/1700ft.lbs (I think those are the numbers anyway). I drive it the same as before the tune (like a little ole lady) and am at 6.7 this winter. Was 7.6 back when it was warm out. Last winter I was at 6.0ish. And early warm weather was only at 6.5mpg. Got my tune at Diesel Doctor in Effingham, IL. It has been said there are others that can tune it better than them for quite a bit more money.
     
  5. shovel98

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    With a good driver you could see better mpg with higher hp but most drivers don't care its a race to them smash accelerator to the floor and go. Give your drivers a incentive to get better mpg by either bonuses or something else first and see if it increases. All the hp in the world wont increase mpg with a bad driver.
     
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  6. Sipesh

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    Higher HP doesn't give better fuel mileage, period. If that was the case, my 400HP engine should be doing far worse than your trucks, but I'm getting 7 to 7.5 However, you are also comparing Cats with a N14-Cummins, which is going to vary. How many miles are on these engines? When have they been overhauled? They might need tuning, they might just be tired and in need of major work. There are a lot of dynamics to fuel economy. Heck, a simple crapped up sensor can throw fuel mileage in the toilet. The biggest factor, however, is how those trucks are being driven. Multiple trucks, I'm guessing, means multiple drivers. You can put two different drivers in the same truck and see a huge difference in mileage.
    (Looks like shovel98 and I were typing at the same time!)
     
  7. EMCO_Trans

    EMCO_Trans Light Load Member

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    The 2000 Freightliner with the black top is turning 1825(or so)@70 while the red top is turning around 1650@70. The C13 is a 10 speed and I cant remember what it turns but its a 3.90 rear end, I think around 1700-1800 also.
     
  8. EMCO_Trans

    EMCO_Trans Light Load Member

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    How much did it cost you to get it tuned with Diesel Doctor?
     
  9. EMCO_Trans

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    I pay my drivers 50% of the NET income (after gas expense) so the incentive is there to not beat on the truck, they have been trying very hard to get better mpg at least from what they are saying as that saves money for them also. I am just not sure what is going on, the CAT will get an overhead next week so maybe that will help a bit.
     
  10. EMCO_Trans

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    CAT is at 850k and the N14's are both around 1mil. The red top n14 had head work done so it could be that that it is in better shape. I am getting a overhead done on the cat and will look into it for the n 14 aswell to see if that helps.
     
  11. bavarian

    bavarian Heavy Load Member

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    I agree on the torque. I was told of 500hp/1750 torque up from 435hp/??? torque.
    My mileage didn't go up that much but still about .2MPG.
    Don't get trapped by the higher pitch of the turbos. You don't wanna hear them or you ruin your mileage.

    @Rusty Bolt where do you take your numbers from?
    Just curious, because the mileage I'm getting on the Qualcomm ist off by about 12% after the tune. Before it was quite accurate with my records from pump to pump. And the Qualcomm takes that info from ECM.
     
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