Exactly.
I go into work and get my dispatch loads and I can go a whole night without talking to dispatch once. There's no hand holding, we are adults and are expected to act like it. If we wanna waste our time, it's money lost on us.
one thing I've learned from being paid percentage is to not look at exactly how many hours I work in a week, but to look at my paycheck. I've never once been disappointed in my paycheck vs the hours I put in to achieve that pay.
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Say it ain't so all you want...
On Jan 9, 2015 notices will start going out to Con-way drivers who qualify, to inform them of re-imbursements due them under California law for time Con-way required them to work for free and didn't pay.
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I don't work for Conway and I dang sure don't live in California so this case is meaningless to me.Raiderfanatic Thanks this. -
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Dun dun dun....
Reminds me of those Holy Rollers that would tell you Judgement Day is coming soon.... lolVictor_V, Raiderfanatic and 123456 Thank this. -
You can imagine some very colorful meetings between Con-way top echelon and their attorneys.
Con-way: "You mean, this is serious."
Atty: "It's bet the farm serious."
Con-way: "So what's it gonna cost??"
Atty: "Depends on whether you go to trial and get stuck with punitives."
Con-way: "Really. How much would that be?"
Atty: "How much you got? The more, the more."
Con-way: "We've got $457-million in cash and equivalents and we're a billion-dollar company."
Atty: "How much of that would it take to make you really, really sorry?"
Con-way: "That much, huh?"
Atty: "That much and maybe then some for good measure."
Con-way: "Maybe we better try settle this."
Atty: "We can try. Expect it won't be cheap, okay? You're probably gonna hafta back pay all affected drivers for up to 4 years and some extra to show you're sorry and costs. For their side and your side."
Con-way: "Okay."Last edited: Nov 5, 2014
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No Vic, we didn't get a room; there are laws against bestiality.
I hope you're correct about the certain changes in the landscape, as you mention, and I also realize that any improvements often begin on a relatively small scale (until an archduke gets assassinated somewhere; then it really gets interesting).
In regards to what is happening in California; we'll see if this is the trendsetter that we're (most of us) are hoping for.
But I'm not so sure.
You see, from the more localized government levels up to and including the state levels, policies tend to be governed (or at least more influenced) by the local populace; there tends to be a bit more of the "of the people, by the people and for the people" involved in the decision making process that involves lawmaking.
All this changes drastically when the federal government steps in, and unfortunately, can and does both override and supercede any other laws; regardless of origin. Including those passed at state levels.
Case in point: Proposition 187 was legally passed in California by an overwhelming majority of it's own people back in, I believe, 1994 or thereabouts. It was a landslide vote with record turnouts. Smashed the polls with voter turnout.
Then the feds stepped in and threw it out. Gone.
So much for majority rules, even in a Republic.
By no means was this a solitary event; just one of the more blatant.
Many of us on these posts seem to have differing opinions; most being very valid; a couple here and there are nothing more than just mindless ramblings. Probably including myself. But our desire for better conditions for not just the trucking industry but also for the entire working class, seems to be the main issue that we all do have in common, if nothing else.
To achieve any improvements, of course, identification of the adversary is all important; what is the catalyst for the cause?
I'm going to get right to the point, and I know to some of you this sounds radical and a little scary:
The Corporations have completely acquired total, complete control of our Government at the federal level. Period.
And all major political parties are involved; doesn't matter which.
By the way, the two (Corporate and Government powers) being merged into one is the definition of Fascism. Just a little tidbit for some of you history buffs. And at the moment, there seems to be little that we the people are doing to stop this "coup" that has taken place before our very eyes.
So, Vic, to answer your original question on your thread (yes, I have tried to stay on topic),; whatever happens in California, historically a trendsetter state, might influence current labor laws and practices. I hope that it does; the power structure that has repressed the US worker into indentured servitude (at least you are "free" to choose your master!) needs to be retrofitted, if not removed.
But realistically, until any major, radical changes occur at the very core of our countries' power structure, along with a major awakening of it's people, we can only see more of the same erosion of our rights, our lifestyles, our working conditions, and above all, our "pursuit of happiness".Last edited: Nov 5, 2014
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Surfer Joe, in some ways you, Ridgeline and I are not really all that far apart.
And in his own way, he's as much a 'character' as you are. He has NEVER thanked anyone. None of that you-thanky-me-so-I-thanky-you-so-you-thanky-me-so... that we see with some members. Not only that, he's somehow managed to garner half-again or more thanks as posts. Very cool, indeed.
Cool dude. You both are.
I don't think updating the FLSA by removing the exemption for interstate truckers will trigger a backlash against drivers--if the public understands the total cost of 100% turnover to the country, trucking outfits and OTR drivers--time away from home, unpredictable, low pay, unpaid time--the effect on families, marriages and children--any more than ending child exploitation caused a backlash against children back in the 1930's.
As FDR said then, "Do not let any calamity-howling executive with an income of $1,000 a day, ...tell you...that a wage of $11 a week is going to have a disastrous effect on all American industry."
You can bet that one way or the other, Con-way's settlement in Quezada v Con-way Freight has the FULL attention of trucking companies for now.
Howl, though they will.
I'm looking forward to Con-way's traditional quarterly conference call...Last edited: Nov 5, 2014
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I just wonder how loud that howl actually is.
These large companies do plan ahead, incidentally, for any impending lawsuits. While kept to a strategic minimum, they are considered nothing more than an expense. You gotta spend dough to make dough.
Big pharma is perhaps one of the more notorious examples: Many pills are made with the full knowledge that many people are going to get sick (possibly even die) from their usage. Been proven in civil court. But the profits are still enormous, even after lawsuits. Again, never any criminal charges. So nothing changes.
Remember the victory dance shoved down our collective throats by OOIDA when Pilot/Flying J got nailed with all those civil suits? Where were the criminal charges? No mention of that; no heads rolled so it's gonna be business as usual. Under a different, restructured name.
Just another business expense.
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There are several ways in which Conway could handle this. They could settle and avoid any further legal expense. But, that would not only hurt them, but would encourage others to file suite against their companies. Another would be to work through the system and appeal a decision that goes against them. That could take years to go through the appeals process. They could also file Chapter 11 and have the judgment either thrown out or greatly reduced. One other option would be to sell the assets off and start a new company with a slightly new name. I can't see them paying out all that money without a fight. If they go through the California appeals court, they stand a good chance of losing. Anywhere else, they would have a much better chance of winning.
By the way, Surfer Joe, heads have rolled at Pilot Flying J. Some have gone to prison, but not the top guy. So far, he has been able to avoid criminal prosecution. It does help to have money to fight through the courts. The investigation is still ongoing, as far as I know. I doubt Jimmy Haslem, president of Pilot, will serve any time.DrtyDiesel and Raiderfanatic Thank this.
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