wilson trucker 2000 swr

Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by Danger07, Dec 28, 2012.

  1. Danger07

    Danger07 Light Load Member

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    Hey, me again

    quick question. i recently installed my wilson 2000 on my pickup truck. I had antennas on before and the swr was near perfect. I put on the w2k ill call it, and my swr sky rocketed to 2-2.5:1 the coil is below the top of my cab as of right now though i am looking to get one of those extended shafts. could the reasoning for this high swr no matter how tall or short i adjust the whip be that the coil is inches from my cab and below the top of my cab? if not what could it be, I know my grounding is good.
     
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  3. MsJamie

    MsJamie Road Train Member

    This is your problem. Use something, like a piece of string, to flex the antenna away from the cab and see if that improves your SWR.

    If that does help, then a longer lower mast could well help.
     
  4. Danger07

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    With the load being a center load on a stainless steel shaft a string wont move the coil any farther awat drom the cab and while im driving the whip is ben backwards due to resistance. So from what your saying getting that coil lifted above my cab with the longer shaft should do the trick? I figured thats what the problem was and the new shaft has been ordered. Ill report back once the new shaft is installed with my findings. Crossing my fingers!

    Also from what i understand i do not need a shorter whip because of the longer shaft correct?
     
  5. MsJamie

    MsJamie Road Train Member

    That is correct. The amount removed above the coil is approximately the same as the amount added below the coil. Overall antenna length will be about the same.
     
  6. Danger07

    Danger07 Light Load Member

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    So im confused now. You said i was correct about NOT needing a shorter whip but then said the amount removed from above the coil would equal about what i add on below the coil. From what the wilson packaging says no matter how long the shaft is the leangth from the top of the antenna to tge coil should remain the same because its the hight from the coil to the top of the antenna that determines frequency. Just my low skilled understanding of it ha. So do i leave the above the coil length the same or do i need to chop some of the length off if the whip between the coil snd top if the antenna? Sorry for my incompetents here theres some things i know a lot if w cbs and some things i know very little about with cbs ha.
     
  7. handlebar

    handlebar Heavy Load Member

    The electrical length of the antenna includes the shaft from the mount to the coil, the "apparent length" of the coil, and the whip above. The experiment with the string is just to see if removing the cab body's capacitance from the proximity to the coil is to let you see without lengthening the whole antenna if moving the coil farther from the cab will help. The "engineering facts" on the Wilson site are used pretty fast & loose, and there's a lot of stuff there's that's of dubious validity at best (the thing about how to store excess coax is enough to keep better educated users from taking too much of their treatise as fact, for instance).
    So, if moving the coil sideways away from the cab is enough to make your match better (you don't drive down the road like that; it's just a test on a parked vehicle) then the idea is to use a longer bottom mast to raise the coil above the cab.
    Remember that part about the whole electrical length of the antenna assembly having to stay about the same overall length to stay resonant? If you add nine inches to the mast beneath the coil, then you should expect to have to remove *around* nine inches from the whip above the coil, so that the overall length is approximately the same. It may vary by an inch or two because of the distribution of the inductive and capacitive reactances distributed along the length of the antenna assembly, but a loose rule of thumb will be that the amount added below will be close to the amount removed above.
    By the same token, if you shortened the mast below the coil, you should figure on having to lengthen the whip above the coil, but let your antenna measuring equipment tell you by how much; it may not be an inch-for-an-inch trade.

    Dunno if that made it clearer; MsJamie really knows her stuff, and her engineering background does a better job of explaining my little RF burns on my fingertips any day of the week :) If I had her command of the mathematical art, I'd now be a successful surgeon, teaching neophyte surgical residents how to isolate the inguinal nerve with a piece of umbilical tape before ligating an inflamed appendix.

    73
     
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  8. Danger07

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    Thanks all! That part always confuses me especially since no matter if you get the 5coil inch or 10you inch mast wilson sends the same size "whip" i call the portion from coil to the top of the antenna the whip not sure if thats correct but works for me ha. So i have a 10" mast as of right now, im getting the 22" mast so in theory i should cut my "whip" by 10"s to be safe, cut another 2 inches if its not enough, correct? I appreciate all the help just want the best running system i can possibly have :)

    By the way handlebar i left you a pm on another topic as well
     
  9. Danger07

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    So how do you know if you are resonating correctly? will the swr be off or what? this makes me think that since wilson sends a 49" whip with 5 and 10" safts that i may have to remove about 5 inches already since i have the 10" mast... could that be the problem of my swr right there?
     
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  10. mike5511

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    :sign5::sign5:....that was funny!
     
  11. Danger07

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    just a little update here, i FINALLY received my new 22" mast. put it up shortened my whip above the coil so the over all antenna was the same length and after adjusting my whip section just right I got a flat 1:1 on the mid channel and right about a 1.1: to 1.15:1 on 1 and 40! thanks a bunch for your help! just to be safe i am getting it looked at by a trusted reliable tech thats been in the game over 50 years who has a mfj antenna analyzer that will ensure i am resonating where i should be! thanks again for all your help!
     
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