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  1. PXI Incorporated

    PXI Incorporated Medium Load Member

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    Example:
    TRUCK A (lease) payment is $2160/mn. TRUCK B financed through bank payment is $1160/mn for reference 10yr term
    TRUCK C purchased outright for $70,000 no monthly payment.

    You earned $200,000 for the year. Without truck or expenses you pay taxes on $200,000 taxable income.

    You earned $200,000 for the year. You claim depreciation for TRUCK C. But you take all of the 20% per year on $70,000. You will pay taxes on $186,000 taxable income. You were able to deduct $14,000 this year but will only be able to claim depreciation for 4 years.

    You earned $200,000 for the year. You claim TRUCK B. Depreciation on $1160/mn. $1160 x 12 = $13,920. You are able to claim $2784 which is 20% of $13,920 which leaves you $197,216 taxable income.

    You earned $200,000 for the year. You leased TRUCK A and claim your lease payment as operating expense at $2160/mn. That's $25,920 for the year. That leaves you a taxable income of $174,080.

    Less taxable income lowers your taxable rate. It works out unless you make over $250,000 which places you in Obama's BS and then you're screwed either way.

    DISCLAIMER:
    These numbers are fictitious and were only used as a reference and your deductible expenses will be much greater which in turn will lower all TRUCKS in this examples overall taxable income. But if all other deductions were identical, L/P would have more actual money in his pocket after he pays the IRS then the other 2.
     
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  3. Captain Canuck

    Captain Canuck "Captain of the Ship"

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    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of making a living on 90 cents per mile plus FSC. I do not have my own authority, but my truck doesn't turn a wheel for less than $2/mile. Mind you, I'm on percentage of revenue and can pick my loads to a point, but even when I was running per mile, the least I ever ran for was $1.55 including FSC. I pay $1860/month for my truck (structured as a lease to own with $10 buyout after 2 years) and $1600/month for my leased reefer with maintenance contract and am usually putting $5K/week or better in the bank minus the truck payment and fuel.
     
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  4. KeithT1967

    KeithT1967 Road Train Member

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    I think theres some confusion.

    When I said lease Im refering to those who are constantly in a lease purchase. Meaning making a $2500ish lease payment while running for $0.90-$1.00 a mile and fsc.

    No amount of tax advantage is worth keeping yourself in that situation, imo. I get accepting hardship for a limited time while trying to get to a better situation but keeping yourself limited intentionally, not so much.

    You dont make a living at .90 cpm plus fsc. You survive at that level. If you work your rear off.
     
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  5. MysticHZ

    MysticHZ Road Train Member

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    Your numbers aren't the only thing fictitious. ..
     
  6. MysticHZ

    MysticHZ Road Train Member

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    Then you're doing something wrong ... $52k a year, after taxes, is above the national median for household income. ..
     
  7. KeithT1967

    KeithT1967 Road Train Member

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    Break down your numbers that result in 52k income. Better yet, assume .90cpm + .21 cpm fsc. $2700 month lease payment. .10cpm maint escrow. And $120 week misc charges from company.
     
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  8. MysticHZ

    MysticHZ Road Train Member

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    Oh ... if I'm only going to assume $.10 for maintenance ... make that $55k a year.
     
  9. Knucklehead

    Knucklehead Road Train Member

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    Yes, Your Flatulence.
     
  10. aussiejosh

    aussiejosh Road Train Member

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    Yeah it does get to the point where you seriously have to consider whether its worth carrying on, i don't know how any O/O can manage unless there getting paid over $3 per mile if you are then well done good negotiating after some of these brokers take their cut all the drivers are left with are the scraps. Gitda-done
     
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  11. Scooter Jones

    Scooter Jones Road Train Member

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    Some of these numbers of what you "have to have" in order to make it as an O/O are pretty wild. My fixed costs are $4,550 a month. That includes my $611 a month truck payment, trailer rental charge and $1,500 a month I set aside for maintenance on the tractor

    My fuel cost varies. However, on a 10,000 mile month it runs around $3,500 at my current rate of $2.44 a gallon.

    Those two costs equal around .80 cpm on an average 10,000 mile month. So, even at $1.80 per mile average van rate, which is what I average running up and down the I-5 corridor, I make a decent living, don't kill myself (I'm a lazy trailer door slammer) have lots of hometime, etc.
     
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