Would you call this a left lane violation

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Boyohboy, Jul 26, 2018.

  1. Boyohboy

    Boyohboy Bobtail Member

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    Thank you for that info. I would assume that is how ga looks at it based on what the officer was saying. But unless you really dig into the states sub sections on traffic laws a driver most likely view it as a 5 lane and not a four lane. Unless there is obvious signs or an obvious blocker of some sort.
     
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  3. STexan

    STexan Road Train Member

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  4. Boyohboy

    Boyohboy Bobtail Member

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    Yes sir i run ltl office furniture over the entire atl area. Lucky me i know lol
     
  5. STexan

    STexan Road Train Member

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    I’ve been driving the US since mid 80’s and not one time have a driven inside the loop of Atlanta, not even in a car. I have no idea how truck lane signs are worded through town.
     
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  6. rpc1943

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    Pay the fine in pennies, they'll get the message.
     
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  7. Boyohboy

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    On the outside of the loop pretty easy too know and tell. The interstates though the middle alittle less specific i would say as i found out today lol
     
  8. x1Heavy

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    BoyOHBOY. You sure stumped me on this one.

    Im going to do one of two things.

    Run outside and scream at the forest next door causing people to think Ive finally lost all of my marbles. (Too many conflicting problems with this particular scenario presented by DOT man asserting his highway does not include a HOV Lane.

    Or sit down and start typing out a Federal Case with gospel and verse as to how the DOT man is potentially wrong in this situation. You do not want one of my two 10,000 word posts laced with ranting and salted with some reasoning that will need other Members of this fine forum to correct me and make excuses that I am just a unstable old fuddy duddy who does not really have a grasp on traffic laws and such. And should not be playing Judge in trucking things. That will cause the thread to explode a few pages. Once that settles down maybe someone can really get to the bottom of this.

    With all that said, Here is a PDF paper on which Georgia did some basic examination of providing truck only tolling to exclude cars and all other riff raff from pure TOT in the style of HOV which eliminates everyone who is not carpooling to work.

    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/5947/ea62166c0b7e41da3690d7763c8ff63d2fb2.pdf

    Before anything, this PDF addresses in particular as it applies to Georgia specifically what it takes to call a road a public road? If you do not understand what happens before a inch of highway is put down for the people to use publicly this paper should lay a little bit of background.

    https://www.alston.com/-/media/file...g-and-resolving-comm/fileattachment/38512.pdf

    Fact Sheet that determines and FIXES IN STONE what you can or cannot do legally with a Commercial Truck 6 wheels or more on the major roads around Atlanta. And especially where they are banned with 4 exceptions. It essentially hammers into all truckers YOU WILL USE the two right lanes.

    https://dps.georgia.gov/sites/dps.g...age/07 - Trucks Using Multi-Lane Highways.pdf

    Schedule of fines and points assessed for trucks caught in any but the two far right lanes:

    ILLEGAL LANE USE BY TRUCKS WITH MORE THAN 6 WHEELS

    State Code 40‐6‐52

    Base Fine
    $252.00

    Surcharge with base fine
    $368.40

    Total points
    3

    Source Link:

    https://www.atlantaga.gov/Home/ShowDocument?id=1420

    As a side note additional restrictions from Idling and parking/standing a commercial vehicle and certain others will be a Atlanta City violation code good for between 600 dollars basic to almost 900 with surcharges. And three traffic points.

    § 150-97. Restrictions for trucks, buses, Division 1. Generally, Article IV. Stopping, Standing And Parking, Chapter 150. Traffic And Vehicles, Part II. Code Of Ordinances—General Ordinances, Code of Ordinances, Atlanta

    Additionally.

    There is the following with it's two source links

    40-6-51 Georgia Code says...VIOLATION OF D.O.T RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON CONTROLLED ACCESS HIGHWAYS these two links provided show really particular situations. If you are caught with a big truck on certain particularly specific roads while ignoring say a roadside message trailer telling you not to exit here onto this road. And you disregard it with a semi truck. Fines base are $252 and enhanced is about 360.00

    However. If this happened during inclement weather (Three feet of wet snow in a nor'easter that pretty much causes the entire city to enter a nuclear winter with plans to wait until spring to get the sun out enough to reclaim all the vehicles stuck... the fines are added up by a minimum of 1000.00 IF you have at least one of your 18 wheelers on a paved surface of a restricted or prohibited road without being able to defend against prosecuting via one of 5 specific situations for being on those roads.

    The reason I have repeated "Those roads" is that some resarch into these links repeat over and over again beating dumb truckers on the nogging that you can do this or that but you will NOT do this or that with a 18 wheeler on specific roads around Atlanta.

    You can have a highway through Peanutland with 1000 glorious lanes and onlyu 4 cars on it with you at sunrise before the rush. But per GA law you can only use the two far right hand lanes with a 18 wheeler. And that's the end of that. If you should wish to contest the problem for your amusement, thrills or potential to have a clumsy state bear hang himself on the duty belt then I hope you have brought alot of dollars to the table because Peaches will be lonely a while while you dig out the money assesed against you at the court house.



    2010 Georgia Code :: TITLE 40 - MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC :: CHAPTER 6 - UNIFORM RULES OF THE ROAD :: ARTICLE 3 - DRIVING ON RIGHT SIDE OF ROADWAY, OVERTAKING AND PASSING, FOLLOWING TOO CLOSELY :: § 40-6-51 - Further restrictions on use of controlled-access roadways

    Georgia Code Title 40. Motor Vehicles and Traffic § 40-6-51 | FindLaw


    If you wish to get further into this mess and decide what Dear Uncle Sam thinks abou tall of this, keep in mind he has been Tolling our Blue Star Highways for decades since they were dreamed up as a one of the greatest engineering projects of Human Race on earth, surpassing even the Egyptian achievements with the pyramids. And we only needed a few decades to get it done.

    This PDF relates to tolling US Highways

    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43575.pdf

    A 2007 Crash involving a large 57 soul capable bus with about 35 aboard running out of HOV Room and smashing over to fall onto the intersate below.

    -side note from me. #### why do they wait until I quit OTR work before having these really cool wrecks on the ATL highways?!

    https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/HAR0801.pdf

    In this report the bus driver had Hydrocodone 5mg at night for sleeping as needed plus one anti anxiety drug plus a third medicine for high blood pressure etc. None of that stuff would be legal today since Jan 1 of this year but here is a chop quote that is relevant.

    On February 20, 2007, 10 days before his CDL medical certificate was due to
    expire, the driver had a preventative physical examination for Medicare with his
    primary care physician but did not get a CDL physical examination. The driver’s
    medications at that time included: sertraline, 100 mg; amlodipine, 5 mg; benazepril,
    20 mg; atenolol, 50 mg; clonazepam, 0.5 mg (at bedtime); and hydrocodone, 5 mg
    (at bedtime as needed). His depression was noted to be controlled on sertraline.
    According to the driver’s 2007 physical examination, he was 73 inches tall,
    5
    weighed
    224 pounds, and had a blood pressure of 140/82.
    An autopsy performed by the Fulton County Medical Examiner noted
    evidence of hypertensive cardiovascular disease, cardiomegaly (enlarged heart),
    and hepatomegaly (enlarged liver). The medical examiner determined the cause of
    death to be blunt force trauma of torso.

    End

    One final issue.

    How to count lanes. So. Here is a paper from Dear Uncle Sam based on Lane Designation Terminology and teaches people how to professionally count lanes left to right as you go down the interstate from the median barrier/grass etc on your far left yellow edge of road margin marker all the way across the lanes to the far right and it's white edge of road marked lane and shoulder combined with whatever it is there off tot he far right.

    http://ntimc.transportation.org/Documents/12.13.10_laneDesignation-2pg-printer.pdf

    I have tried to cover everything identified in the OP's first post. Nothing is wasted. Everything is addressed. And I tried to find materials which are easy to understand and simpler to count as well as to follow along with the Phonetics Book, English 2nd grade condensed edition seeing we don't have much time for all of this.
     
  9. Boyohboy

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    Lol that be a heavy box too mail
     
  10. Boyohboy

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    Thank you for that. That is alot of info on the subject. One thing i will say that i found in GA code 40-6-52 in regards too truck and mutilane rds is that in i believe section d it is that signage on the rd will ultimately decide on the given rd where trucks belong. Unless i understood that wrong
     
  11. Muddydog79

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    How much is the fine?
     
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