Would you leave Landstar if they require you to get eobr?

Don't be jealous. Besides, I'm stirring up another big jug right now... come have some and you too can see the light.

 

To the original question.....I am against EOBR's being forced on us until they are regulated industry wide and a firm "must have" date is enforced. That creates a level playing field......until then absolutely not!!

Now, my next issue is once all of my stuff is paid for which will be the end of this year then I really won't have to work as much so the EOBR issue would not effect as much as it will others....BUTTTT.....if a company is going to "REQUIRE" something as a condition of acceptance per your written contract then IMO that company must bear 100% of the cost associated with providing, maintaining and operating whatever it takes to fulfill that requirement.......PERIOD!!!! IE the 120 day inspections. Charging the BCO even one penny for any of this is completely unacceptable to me. Add that to the fact that no Federal mandate is even close to being put in place and I see major overeach here by the LS managment. They say it is because our "peer group" is outperforming us in the CSA numbers since they all run EOBR and our customers are asking why!! Well, then if that's the case go ahead and invest in 300,000 trailers and a network of dropyards and turn the van division into a 95% D&H operation and become another Schneider or Werner or Swift or whatever but the fact is the LS business model doesn't allow for that, we don't have dropyards scattered all over the country and we don't have the ability to do multiple relays to keep the freight moving......99.9% of us here are independant single truck operators.......this is the model LS chooses to operate under so it is what it is!! It's not our fault we are lumped into that peer group by the Feds......what the customer should be looking at are the crash to miles % and the performance #'s so IMO it will be up to LS and the agents to re-educate their customers.

So, unless LS is willing to do that then YES, I would look for something else and work my way out the door. LS has a history of walking a very thin line contractually between 1099 and W2 status regarding certain issues. I'm not sure how the IRS would view this situation but I have my opinion. LS also has a bit of a reputation for nickle and diming their agents and BCO's.

I'm not saying I'm unhappy here......LS still works for me for now, but if the situation should change for some reason beyond my control then yes I would be gone!!

 

I often hear of this "nickle and dime" stuff, but I've never been able to find it. Perhaps you can direct us to it?

 

LOL, hey there's ROX......how ya doing. Well, let's see here, the 2 that quickly come to mind are reducing the % paid to new hires, squeexing an extra $6.50 out of every $1000 in revenues out of the pay scale and the pre-negotiated fsc monies far below the adjustable weekly scale for Natl. accounts, now yes I know your arguement will be that it's my choice to haul it or not but if a BCO doesn't cover it than that just opens the door for more brokered trucks. Oh yes, and of course this newest revenue enhancement tool....the required monthly $27 EOBR usage fee.


Oh wait that's right, you are exempt from these issues because you have a mechanical motor, pull platform freight and have been here forever so these things don't matter to you......regardless if they effect you or not they still exsist!!

 

And every one of those has been voluntary and still is. If you don't like the FSC on a certain load, don't pull that load. I pull loads where the FSC is barely half of the weekly LS standard, however, the linehaul rate is more than high enough that I would be a fool to turn it down. I am not fond of doing a full 48 foot long, 8'4" high tarp job, to the deck, for $50. That is a lot of work, however, that is all that customer will pay for a tarp, but she pays one hell of a linehaul, to more than make up the low tarp accessorial charge.

Your and my percentages are lower than those that have older contracts than ours. I would love to have the same contract terms as was written into the old Ranger Teamster contract. However, they were no longer available, when I leased on. The terms I have, I am entirely comfortable with, or I would not have signed.

To me, the term "nickle and diming" means the company is deducting small charges that they come up with, that were never agreed too, or written into the contract. In all these years, LS has never deducted one sinlge penny that I did not volunteer to have deducted.

BTW, that mechanical motor does not make me exempt from anything.

 

Are you saying the monthly service fee for the EOBR's is voluntary.....I DON'T THINK SO, at least if you want to get hired on here now, you either agree or go elsewhere.....that's not exactly my idea of voluntary, are they covering that fee for the new hires that are required to run EOBR?? Not that I've seen or heard about......OK, what about lowering the trailer inspection bounty from $50 to $25 and then demanding a BCO go get the trailer inspected that has been out of cycle for 8,9, 10 months or more, then threatening that BCO will be shutdown until they do so and wasting their time for $25.....I don't recall anybody volunteering and signing onto that fee reduction....to me nickle and diming means taking more money out of the operators pockets by any means neccessary be it opening the floodgates to outside carriers eliminating many freight opportunites for BCO's or allowing agents to lowball each other for the same business or corporate cost cutting by eliminating services that were previously offered like now we can't fax or email our logs in any more, or wasting more of my time for this or that....yes it doesn't effect you and I as directly as it does the new hires however it has definitely been a trend over the last 5 years or so.....or eliminating the quarterly fuel stop guide that they brought back once so far after enough complaining from the BCO's.....I got one I had to beg for in the last 2 years about 6 months ago and nothing since.......etc. etc. etc. look at the layout of the now new-old agent directory....talk about a waste of time!!

BTW, nice to see you again....it's been a while....I've given up on the part time drivers, full time crybaby, humorless, dry witted, low testosterone, no imagination, no longer allowed to mix in a little fun here and there and if you don't agree with Andy's gang then you are a rebel and unfit to participate BCO website. I can't remember what my Id's and passwords were on your site cause I forgot to write them down....but this looks like a good place to be!!

Later

 

So far the service fee on EOBRs is voluntary. New hires know before they even get here that EOBRs and the service fee is mandatory, if they want to lease here.
I won't comment on the trailer inspections, as I haven't pulled a company van since 2001 and am not familiar with the procedures, these days.
We were never supposed to fax or email our logs, on a regular basis. Only corrected logs. You can still mail them in for free.

Been a long time since I had a published fuel directory, but that isn't out of my pocket. The information is available on the company website. Granted, it is not as convenient.

 

In my world voluntary does not equal mandatory!!

 

Mine neither. EOBRs are one of the terms in the new contracts. Signing that contract is voluntary, not madatory.

See you're running the same line you tried running at Andy's.

 

What line is that.....I see the good in things and the not so good in things and I state my opinion as I see fit, unlike so many who prefer to stumble through life wearing the rose colored glasses, I choose to have a realistic grasp on a situation and call them like I see them both positive and negative. Andy chooses not to host realistic and frank discussions any longer concerning much if any serious subject matter so I saw fit to leave.....now that on my part was strictly "voluntary"......I still check in and read from time to time but I choose no longer to post and waste my time, knowledge and intellect on a bunch of "stiffs" with a few noted exceptions.

I asked him politely to delete me but he refused to do so....