X chains on coils

Discussion in 'Flatbed Trucking Forum' started by Gunner75, Jun 30, 2016.

  1. johndeere4020

    johndeere4020 Road Train Member

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    They changed that, we've beat this up like the strap in rub rail thing here's the new wording.

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    It's to "another point on the vehicle" instead of other side.
     
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  3. Stang

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    That's an opinion piece written by a federal employee who doesn't fully understand the law.

    Title 49 is federal law, if you go to court that is what the judge will look at first. If this was a confusing law then the opinion piece might be taken into account, but it's not confusing at all.
     
  4. Stang

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    The rule they are using is probably 393.104 (f)(4)
    Edge protection must be used whenever a tiedown would be subject to abrasion or cutting at the point where it touches an article of cargo. The edge protection must resist abrasion, cutting and crushing.

    That argument could go either way depending on the Judge. I would imagine anywhere that is giving out tickets for it has had success prosecuting those tickets.
     
  5. Gunner75

    Gunner75 Road Train Member

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    For the record, i only use x chains on shotgun coils. Wanted that out there before someone decided to go nuts thinking im talking about side coils.

    Every company has their own formula on securement. Btc wants the driver to assign 5000lbs wll to each article of securement then secure the load for 100%of the weight so there is never any question to if there is enough securement.

    In the matter of shotgun coils, it gets retarded, im not putting 10 chains and 4 straps just to meet the requirement.I'll throw 2x chains 2 sets of horseshoes and then 2 straps to get securement on a 40k+ coil
     
  6. johndeere4020

    johndeere4020 Road Train Member

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    I'll have to dig a little deeper on this one, the fmcsa being an opinion piece is throwing me a little. They seem to have a heck of a lot of authority to just be issueing opinions.
     
  7. TripleSix

    TripleSix God of Roads

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    Well, there's a reason why I didnt mention WLL, because I don't consider a horseshoe pull to be direct securement because just about every other chain on a shotgun coil runs through the eye and back too.

    The thing that differs between direct and indirect is in order to be effective, direct has to have an opposite pull to work. Indirect pulls the load to the trailer. That being said, a shotgun coil would have to be secured evenly to the effective.
    That's why I would put 6 chains on any shotgun weighing more than 25k. And 8 for more than 45k.
     
  8. DDlighttruck

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    Is there a rule to follow, or at least rule of thumb, for the number of coil bunks to use? 2 for 20,000, 3 for 30,000, etc? Is there a WLL for them?

    And should you try to place them on the main beams, or just throw them anywhere?
     
  9. Raezzor

    Raezzor Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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    Would someone explain to me how 2 chains touching each other, which are of the same material, is somehow damaging in such a way that it you must either not do it or put in edge protection to stop it, and using those same chains on numerous different types of equipment and loads isn't?

    Sure we use edge protection, but that's to protect the load... there is no law saying we have to use it to protect the chains unless I've missed something? What law does DOT quote when saying this?
     
  10. Gunner75

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    That's what I'm asking, ive seen several individuals say on here and in a flatbed facebook group state that chain on chain rubbing is a securement violation and the only way to prevent it is to pad between them. Even my safety director wants us to avoid using x chains because guys forget to put pad in, and get violations for it. Instead he wants us to throw all our chains for horseshoes and then straps over the top to meet wll, and then use a trip block/deadmans block for forward movement.
     
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