Your view of the logbook rules

Sorry but thats just dumb. The OP of that garbage is probably the guy who blocks the whole dang truckstop up when he pulls in because his 14 is up and he can't drive across the street to park. Seems like murder and cheating on your wife don't quite fit the same category. I hope they don't institute the death penalty for doing 56 mph in a 55 zone in Cali!!! Jeesh - where DO you draw the line!!

 

i still to this day keep a couple of comic books (loose leaf style funny pages)... Back in the day heck i had 3 licenses. you have to understand and im sure there are a couple of us old crusty truckers on here to make money we had to run outlaw and sometime i will admit i still do the reason being is if i have a produce load it has a limited shelf time from field to store to consumer so the faster its off my truck the less chance i have to deal with a rejected load (and yes that has happend on occasion). Its no more worse that say a financial accountant fudging the Ledger.. Were all outlaws at some point in our life no matter what we do... Some of us just do it better and No how to get around the system Heck my bro Wargames knows what im saying...

 

The funny thing is; as adults we all like to come up with "reasons" to violate the rules or laws. As kids they were called "excuses."

I think we are all guilty of logging off duty while we were in fact on the dock watching our trailer being loaded or counting freight.
We all speed from time to time. Whether it's intentional or we simply didn't notice the sign that changed the speed limit.
Utilizing multiple log books, loose leaf logs, dropping trips, shaving miles, logging average speed as opposed to "actual time." using phony co drivers etc are all tricks thats have been employed by so called "outlaw" truckers in the past.
Unloading a trailer ourselves and claiming a lumper did it to collect the higher rate of pay is also something I had no qualms with in the past.

I guess I draw the line at selling parts or fuel from my employer. Stealing anything from any business i am servicing or patronizing.

 

Log books? We don't need no stinking log books

 

at times who did log...lol

 

Thanks for not hijacking my thread, that was cool. The way I see it, and feel free to disregard everything I say, is that there is no point in looking back 30 years to see how logbook rules were enforced. So many things have changed in 30 years. I think it would probably be beneficial to look at how logbook are currently being enforced. The better you understand the current enforcement the better you'll be able to predict where things are heading. It's a very exciting, and scary, time as far as technology. At current rates technology is changing faster than the laws that are supposed to prevent abusing technology. The potential benefits are amazing, however people suck and typically see only the potential monetary gains by using technology to squeeze an extra dime out of every situation.

Wow, I ramble, that's awesome. I should probably focus more. Oh well, I also find it ironic that there are a group of people that will state how running outlaw is what they had to do to make more money, but then will get upset when their companies find new ways to make more money for themselves (governing trucks, lease purchase/rental plans, fuel routing, etc., etc., etc.)

 

So if I blow a steer tire in the middle of no where, and it takes 6 hours to get it changed, putting me over on hours. I shouldn't violate a log book law and head for the safety of a truck stop where I can get a hot meal and a shower. But instead, because some politicians wrote a law that gets changed every few years, and because of personal integrity I should sit there, poop in a can, go with out a decent meal and a shower and safety. I should go with out because of personal integrity, and not breaking a politicians law.

Personally, I wont document any of it. I will head to the truck stop, eat, shower, and I guarantee you I will sleep good.

#### THAT NOISE

 

I'd suggest documenting it and logging it correctly (you know, as you do it) get back in compliance in the event that something goes south. Stuff happens out there, having an hours of service violation isn't as bad as falsifying your logs.