I think its under the same premise as if you were to go rent a car, which some people do specifically for uber/ridesharing purposes, they would still be responsible for fuel and paying a rental fee or even leasing for a set term, but they use that car under uber and are considered an IC. they move passengers/food/freight... and uber gives them a percentage. I did sign V.C. on contract, either way they have no grounds to hold the money like they say for 90-120 days even after they signed off everything was good, all documented, which I just got the feeling after they had lied on all loads about how much they were actually paying this was another attempt to just push things off, I know the longer this goes by the more hazy and foggy things get and then when confronted that I knew how they were stealing, told me I'm not getting ####, which I downloaded voice recorder to save everything as evidence.
Are you saying tell the Attorneys I want to file a complaint? and what part of the IRS would I speak with about this situation?
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You were an employee. There are several tests the IRS uses to determine this. The biggest one in your case is probably the extent to which services performed by the worker are a key aspect of the regular business of the company. The DOL will get your pay from the company for no charge provided you submit the BOL's or other documentation showing the amounts owed.. A lawyer will usually want about 33%. You can report them to the IRS, but the IRS is pretty lenient on employers for doing this. Even if the IRS does tell them to knock it off they'll just set up shop a few blocks away with a new name and start running the same scam a week later. If you want to let the IRS know anyway you can submit a Form 8919:
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I am going to take some time for this because I am trying to tell you drivers DO NOT work for these companies, they are the worst thing for drivers and actually cause us honest fleet owners a lot of problems.
NO they are not the same. Uber/Lyft and other gig-economy things are not regulated.
Here is the legal difference.
You sign up with Uber, they offer you an exclusive access to discounted rates for car rentals and leases through a third party. Your contract for that car is with that third party, not with Uber. Uber calls this a preferred partner.
With that, you can actually use the car for Lyft/Doordash/Shipt and a number of other things to produce revenue. Uber can not legally restrict the use of the car because they have NO direct contract with you on that vehicle and if there was, they would have to allow you to do what you want with the vehicle.
This allows them to shift any liability for the car onto you and the third party.
Your situation is considered illegal.
It is where you are renting a truck but having that truck in the control of the owner of the truck, making you powerless to create revenue outside of the company. it isn't a lease agreement which is separate from the contracting agreement.
It doesn't matter if the truck is running under an authority, the key to this is you are being told what to do and how to do it and can't do anything else than that.
The maintenance, fuel and other things that make the truck run also limits your ability to be independent, you are to follow their direction and only their direction.
Second even if it is in the contract that you get paid a percentage, it is how it is worded and how the accounts payable is billed that matters, but overall if they are lying about it, then either way of you claiming you are an independent contractor or employee, they shorted your revenue. This can be recovered from what I've been through.
I have sued a former employer on a breach of contract, the DoL came in after the case was settled and recovered all the OT that was due to me, something like $65k.
Nope stop thinking that way.
Either you had the right to refuse a load without retaliation or you didn't.
It looks like it was the latter.
It isn't what they want, it is what you want. If they said get the truck back to them, then it is on their dime, not yours and you are an employee.
The same goes for the rules of how to treat them.
Many of us don't play the "let's cheat the driver" game, those who have the same business model have done enough research and paid for legal advice to make sure that we are in the sun light with the relationships.
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The contract says the carrier will make all payments due to individual contractor within 15days of loads being delivered and proof of signed BOLs, but also states further upon termination/resignation they will withhold any payments due for up to 45 days until truck/trailer and all other items are delivered back in satisfactory condition. Which I have already had everything signed off on, my problem was when trying to get ahold of them it became a lot harder and when I did they tell me 90-120 days now, and say thats the law, I asked to send me this law and they can't. And what followed was me calling them out knowing how much they were stealing off the top of each load, and giving them a few choice words, to only get laughter and told Im not getting anything.
I had already felt they were just trying to delay time giving that 90-120day stuff, hoping I would forget or I would lose most evidence by then. I just don't believe even if I wait out the full 45 days I will be paid anything knowing how they operate brazenly enough to be stealing that much from drivers. Plus definetley not the full amount of what I truly grossed.
I could also send you a copy of the contract in a private message, if thats allowed on here, as well as an outlay of what I was told I was grossing compared to what I know was really being paid by the broker, plus all my toll and fuel receipts, me playing there game I was gonna settle for about $5500 off what I was told I was grossing, but know in reality its closer to 10k which they owe me. again I have copies of everything from BOLS, Text, Rate Con straight from Broker, Brokers numbers, Receipts, Equipment Return Sign offs.
So technically they could use the time period stated in contract is not up with my first load being delivered on Monday Aug 2nd and the Last on Monday Aug 9th. But I don't trust anything about this especially after knowing how they lied and with them telling me I am not getting S#$%, and don't contact them anymore.
I also don't know how long this DOL Investigation is going to take, its through the IL DOL not the state I live in. I don't have an attorney just yet, just had 2 that said they would be interested pending me putting in a complaint to the DOL and outcome. Just wondering should I give them (this company I was at) a chance anymore and wait the 15-45 days thats stated in the contract even though they say 90-120, again this was before I let them know that I knew the whole time about them stealing, or continue waiting on DOL, or just go forward with an attorney and let the attorney know I want to get this resolved now? I just don't want to sit and waste time with this knowing I truly grossed them around 17k in 9 days running almost 6k miles and they are gonna walk away with this. With the more time going by the more foggy everything can get.
Again I won't be too upset if an Attorney takes a big chunk, I just want them to know that unlike a lot of other drivers, I intend to see this through, and know they will more than likely set up show under different name, but its mainly principle at this point. Yes I want to get paid but I am already chalking this up on a lost, and learning experience for 9 days of my time and hard work in that time but glad I wasn't there for months/yrs before learning the scam they have going on.Last edited: Aug 17, 2021
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File the lawsuit, their attorney will tell you to get in line, do you think your the first to get screwed.?
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A couple burner phones, an accomplice, a untraceable car and an unregistered firearm.
Need I say more..
Oh yeah make sure you finish on the weekend to bump up those Chicago stats....
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