Electronic tracking has been required on semi-trucks for 5 years. Fatalities haven't decreased.

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  1. SteveScott

    SteveScott Road Train Member

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    There is a carve-out in the Fair Labor Standards Act specifically for drivers working for DOT motor carriers and another carve-out for farm laborers. Railroads and aviation aren't affected by exemptions because both industries are completely unionized.

    Fact Sheet #19: The Motor Carrier Exemption under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) | U.S. Department of Labor (dol.gov)

    Section 13(b)(1) of the FLSA provides an overtime exemption for employees who are within the authority of the Secretary of Transportation to establish qualifications and maximum hours of service pursuant to Section 204 of the Motor Carrier Act of 1935, except those employees covered by the small vehicle exception described below.

    Thus, the 13(b)(1) overtime exemption applies to employees who are:

    1. Employed by a motor carrier or motor private carrier, as defined in 49 U.S.C. Section 13102 (see Employer below);
    2. Drivers, driver’s helpers, loaders, or mechanics whose duties affect the safety of operation of motor vehicles in transportation on public highways in interstate or foreign commerce (see Employee Duties below);
    Fact Sheet #12: Agricultural Employers Under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) | U.S. Department of Labor (dol.gov)
     
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  3. diesel guy454

    diesel guy454 Medium Load Member

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    You are correct. Stupidity is the biggest problem in the industry. That's what happens when the mega carriers hire anything with a pulse.
     
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    MIT Road Train Member

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    Using the BLS data is somewhat misleading. It takes into account all people who have driving jobs and not just truck drivers. Many of those jobs don’t have to follow ELDs. A traveling salesman who dies in a car accident is counted in those statistics. Those crazy Amazon sprinter van drivers are included in the BLS data.
     
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  5. mitmaks

    mitmaks Road Train Member

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    ELD is one shoe fits all. That moron pete bootygeeg spent 30 minutes inside truck with some driver and thinks he knows everything about trucking. We got clowns running the show-need former drivers in fmcsa. Better yet disband whole ####### club of clowns who only make it worse for us-drivers
     
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  6. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    The biggest decline in accidents was with the trucks that were exempt from the HOS. Those drivers had enough sense to stop when they were tired and drive when they weren't.
     
  7. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    Do you have any data to back that up?

    Because my company saw almost a 25% reduction in dot reportable accidents in 2020, which is greater than the overall trend. None of our drivers used the "exemption".
     
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    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    mustang190 Road Train Member

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    Most commercial airline pilots are unionized but the majority of pilots are not. Meaning business jets, air charters etc. and air cargo.
     
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  10. bryan21384

    bryan21384 Road Train Member

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    Man I'm like you. I love ELDs too. It's so much easier, I don't have to worry about keeping it caught up so that "looks good." On paper, I'd be too tired to finish it off and sign it. The ELD is nice. Touch the screen, certify, go to sleep. Love it.
     
  11. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    How many trucks using the exemption? And were those trucks constantly using the exemption or switching back to the HOS after the exempt load?

    In short, what was the crash rate per million miles of drivers using the exemption? How does that compare to the crash rate per million miles of drivers following the HOS?

    "It is unclear how many hours either driver had been on the road or what affect, if any, the emergency declaration had on the crashes."​

    "FMCSA learned about the crashes through state partners or through self-reporting from the carriers."
    Those two quotes lead me to conclude that there is no real data on who was using the exemption, and in what way they were using it.

    From a quick persual of fmcsa reports (for some reason 2021 isn't final yet?) it looks like crashes per million miles for 2021 are on par with 2019, and total dot reportable accidents are below 2000 levels despite a 15% increase in miles run.

    You can blame elds, but elds just enforce the HOS, so you need to blame the HOS, and you can blame the HOS, but when you start breaking down accidents, particularly fatal accidents, by million miles traveled they're still lower than they were in the 1990s.

    If you want to place the blame on the recnt rise in accidents where it needs to be you need to look at cdl instruction and testing.

    There is no reason why any one with a cdl should not be able to pass our 1st week of training. Outside of some company specific things like coupling order and introducing button hooks, it's cdl school light. Yet we get guys who don't known the difference between an alternator and an air dryer, let alone understand how to properly set their mirrors.

    Our training program isn't hard, and our standards aren't that high. Yet I would argue we have one of the best new driver training programs in the industry. That is where the problem lies.
     
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