How are people getting away with selling deleted trucks

The epa would need the us army to track down all the deleted trucks out there.

 

Why would emission POS be worth more? Cause you have to fill up def at $4.00+ or you like being towed from side of the road after POS derates?
If you don't want to buy one move along, let someone else deal with it. Epa needs to be more concerned about China emitting emissions. Guess what even if we didn't have a single diesel truck in the US there STILL would be pollution from other countries.

 

He’s talking more about how you don’t know how/where the delete was done most of the time. Not to speak on how well or poorly the reprogramming was done. A lot of deletes end up as ticking time bombs themselves because of piss poor programming. Dip on over to Rawze forum to find out the aftermath of many “reputable” deleters. Deleters are a lot like CB shops. Very few actually understand what they’re doing and next to none of them advertise for much of the same reasons, government crackdown and/or jail time.

A truck that is stock and well maintained on the other hand, that’s a truck where you know a bit more on what you’re getting into.

 

Preaching to the quior here mate. At risk of going way off topic into the weeds here, long term your correct. I was mostly responding directly to the OP as things stand. Long term i agree and honestly give it 5 years tops before they put some type of emissions detection system in place at every scale in the U.S and at most 10 before pretty much everything you discribed goes into effect along with a cali style "no trucks older then X allowed". Likely far far sooner if we get a certain group into office again. Id say worst case give it a year and 2 or 3 years. Best case a decade.

It seems the government has gone so far off the deep end that the era of new O/Os as things are going is coming to a close. Not because no one can do it, but due to cost of these compliant rigs and regulations. I think any of us already here will likely be fine, but the cost of entry to profit ratio is getting to a point where its a hard sell especially with some emissions repairs STILL taking months and months. And thats without factoring in electric being forced so hard.

Keep in mind at around 800 kwh to charge a battery (using a tesla semi as a benchmark here) not factoring in ANYTHING else, you are looking at the equivlent of 30 homes worth of power used....per day per truck at a minimum and realisticly a LOT more. Depending on what figure you use, you have either 1.5 million or 35 million trucks on the road daily....all i can say is if diesel/fueled engines are banned i see rationing making being an O/O even harder. The infrastructure to make electric viable alone will take tens of trillions of dollars and decades to get upto snuff...and thats ignoreing cars entirely

Things are to a point where im planning ahead. Was going to buy new, but most new is so iffy on reliability with extreme costs and tons of down time if i or honestly anyone is unlucky to the point even the government is being forced to act. See the new warranty regulations that will drive costs even further up. So instead im going to repower the one thats near paid off with a pre emissions engine using one of the existing loopholes and save up. Then when the time comes convert it to whatever is most reliable or just cash out and start a local less regulated business then retire my pete into an oversized pickup or a nice R.V if legal or a lawn decoration otherwise.

 

There most certainly is a annual emissions inspections. Required for registration.

Some states might even require a state safety inspection also.

 

Not necessarily put 2 people in each office scouring social media market place
What happens if the IRS check's your tax return and realize you have a 2018 truck but you show no expense for DEF ?
Just saying ?
Let me make it clear .. I have no use for government regulated agencies.. and I hope they never catch anybody

 

I mean you can change the words from deleted to broken, needs to be fixed prior to registration and have buyer sign paperwork knowing the trucks broken and not road worthy.


Something like “emissions system broken, needs to be replaced completely for you to operate on the streets. Great farm truck” or “ off road use only.”

 

I live NC and have never had a emissions check done in the 17 years I’ve owned a truck but it is a 2005I have a annual dot inspection done at a garage I’ve been using for close to same.And obviously the trucks that have been deleted are passing.It’s been going on for a lot of years now the 1st I seen were the 2011 and 12 models as soon as the warranty was out they took off all the emissions and had ecm reflashed.

 

If it’s a full delete it’s expensive but a hidden delete it’s a new filter and programming . The guys ad say def delete that’s reprogram and maybe flush old def out of tank.. guys who remove everything are not very bright..most times just a def delete will make a truck more reliable . The egr and variable geometry turbo on a DD15 are reliable and needed if you want engine to live ..