Beware of WEL companies

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  1. Sapphire_Glitter

    Sapphire_Glitter Light Load Member

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    Ill give ya that one, some lanes are doable, some I can't learn, namely east coast

    I used to run up and down from LA/Bakersfield area to Aberdeen or Yakima Washington. Awful slow and annoying route but I ran it and made still only slightly below average despite being expensivegiven food costs west coast and slow going, i stopped running it only because CHP had a stick in their ### with my company and I was done having TVC beat 3 tickets a week, idiot cop caught me doing 59mph down a hill on US97 by dorris and tried to say it was 71mph, aint worth my license to run that crap, thank God I had dashcam of my own
     
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  3. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    You THINK you can do long distance loads, but if I asked your DM - what would he say?

    Last year I did a run out to LA with another driver - call him Bob. Bob was a newer driver, but thought he was an effective driver because he ran on the 10 and burned out his 70. Bob was driving hard, but wasn't driving smart. On the way out to LA, the first day we stayed mostly together but I was parked about 15-20 minutes before Bob. On the second day Bob started 30 minutes before me but I was parked for more than an hour before Bob rolled in. I got nervous at the rapidly filling lot and uncoupled so I could save a spot for him. Third day, I had him lead through the mountains so I wouldn't out run him again and could help him if we needed to chain. Day 4 I lost him in the first 30 miles and despite taking an hour long nap still made it to the truck stop ahead of Bob. Day 5 I again made him lead until we got to LA as we weren't going to a 'truck friendly' area and he was a little apprehensive. Offload and he goes to the hotel for 2 days while I head to some friends. On the day we leave, I supervise the reloading of the trailers between 2200 and midnight. At midnight, he wants to roll and I'm "why?, it's not going to change the end time of the load", but he wants to 'run hard so he can get another load before the weekend'. I help him get out of the lot and go to bed for 6 hours. I took a nice midday nap and then called it an early night, and as I rolled in to the truck stop I saw Bob's truck. We talk about our plans for the next day and he's planing on running early, and I'm going to start at 0500ish. I catch Bob as we're approaching Denver. We both stop at the Loves on the east side of town - me because I need to pee, Bob because he's out of hours. I run another 100 miles up the road. Same story the next day - Bob runs on his 10 while I take a 12 hour break and I'm shut down further up the road. On the last day I get up early because once this load is done I'm going home, but have a relaxed trip and was dropped before Bob rolls in.

    When all was said and done, we drove the same number of miles with the same loads. I left six hours behind Bob, finished 30 minutes earlier while using less fuel and having more time on my 11/14/70. By the time we were done, his 11 and 14 were at a point that there was nothing he could move on until the next morning, and by that point it would make more sense to finish a 34. Bob drove hard - not smart. In short - it's not just picking up and delivering on time, it's about using your time efficiently and effectively to set yourself up for success.

    There are times a driver needs to put on his big boy pants and push things to the limit, and there are times when it makes more sense to take it easy.

    I had a load into Dallas, I'd originally set my eta to delivery for the morning of Day 3, but midday on Day 2 I realized I could get in and make delivery that night and then rush over to the yard to shut down. Instinctively, I wanted to push and deliver that night. The smarter plan was to lay up short and deliver in the morning. Why? In part, because I was dealing with a short 70 - pushing in would mean having to drive from delivery to s/l parking whereas if I layed up I wouldn't burn any time on non-productive miles. Secondly, I would have pushed my 14 to the max, which is stressful and tiring. Shutting down early allowed me to be better rested for whatever came next. Finally, there was a good chance I could pick up at the same place I was delivering into - but only if I had hours to run. If I left, the chances of reloading dropped dramatically. You haven't stayed anyplace long enough to really understand their freight trends.

    As a final thought - length of haul is a bad metric to determine income. Some of my highest paid days were also my shortest mileage days. When I was helping out on a dedicated account, the other road driver wanted the Indy run - 600 miles and took the full 14, paid out $330. Me, I wanted to do 4 Kenosha runs - 480 miles, d/h on each end. Took just under 12 hours total, paid out at $360.
     
  4. Sapphire_Glitter

    Sapphire_Glitter Light Load Member

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    Lot of times running hard is bad, especially when you're trying to recap, 8-9 hours is ideal running time a day, approximately 8h45m, mainly so you have time for anything and can keep working, I get the whole loaded for the weekend gig which is very important, and I'm fine doing long even if the pay rolls over into the next week as long as I'm getting paid for it either way


    Ideal week you load Friday, run to a Monday delivery, pickup Tuesday, delivery Thursday and are ready for another weekend run picking up Friday

    I understand cutting early to have more clock time like east coast megacities or cali even avoiding certain drive times

    But as long as you run 8h a day you're probably doing right

    As for the dedicated account there's only two places I've ever had a good experience with doing dedicated, Dairy Farmers Of America and Schreiber foods

    I stopped running 10h days unless I had to, only teams need to run that and forces me to reset every week

    As for reloading out of the same place? Ive had that happen maybe 2-3 loads in my career so far, it seems rare I usually have at least a 100mile deadhead to my next pickup on average up to 600miles

    I never have to do resets or sit unless I miss that get loaded friday gig, trucks in the shop, tank wash/trailer wash or a planning goof
     
  5. Iamoverit

    Iamoverit Road Train Member

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    I agree but that wasn't my point.
     
  6. Frank Speak

    Frank Speak Road Train Member

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    I know. My comment was with tongue firmly in cheek.
     
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  7. Stringb8n

    Stringb8n Road Train Member

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    Well I would say that is a good resolution with the help of that attorney. Congrats on getting your money.
     
  8. rollin coal

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    Longhaul van freight is sort of a relic from a bygone era. It just doesn't happen for the most part. That freight goes on the rails. Some refrigerated freight goes on rails too.

    Trucking is mostly a "load it today deliver it tomorrow" or a two day transit type business. Most population centers east of the Mississippi that freight tends to be all shipped inside that general area with 1 or 2 day transits. On the west coast most of your general freight is up and down the coast with similar time frames. That's just how it is.

    Now if you want to haul produce there's something that has a lot of long haul cross country opportunity. There's other things in reefer world too. But can you be trusted to do that job? It involves somewhat more than just driving. Tanker world has long hauls but you've got your work history so jacked. It sounds like you've been trying to fit a square peg in a round hole with companies you've worked at. Without being able to run a 600 mile load in a 2 day transit you'll never get an occasional long runs. Those go to drivers who get the job done with no fuss.
     
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  9. bryan21384

    bryan21384 Road Train Member

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    It also matters when you run too. If you have a load going through Nashville or Atlanta for instance, you'll have to plan to avoid the rush hour traffic. Maybe you start earlier, maybe you start later, maybe you begin split break during rush hour. It all depends.
     
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  10. Sapphire_Glitter

    Sapphire_Glitter Light Load Member

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    And that was my big problem with reefer loads, mostly you can't do that split, they want you to run recaps but get up drive 8, stop do your 10 and then drive

    There's no split, there's no wait for the ideal time, it's all drive, drive, drive and if you're late nomatter the time , shipper holding you up or traffic conditions you get pinned for it and that was always one of my biggest hates about refrigerated and short distance loads, short loads on the east coast endlessly result in no miles

    And honestly big east coast cities are an hourly wage game and most of us don't have those kind of trucking jobs
     
  11. Sapphire_Glitter

    Sapphire_Glitter Light Load Member

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    I never had an issue with long haul, only time I did was in the dead of winter if I80 was shutdown

    Had my planned stops, had time to eat a decent meal, knew where I was gonna stop usually. No issues and with tanker it was easier because if I wanted to I could run my clock and get there early, deliver and be ready for my next load. Tanker is 100 times easier than van or reefer freight and you get treated better

    Always hated the short load game, if it's not 1000 miles I probably don't want it
     
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