Maybe you didn't understand the term carrier & customer. Not carrier & broker. Though the same applies to that. Broker charges the customer & the customer charges the broker. Too many look at it as a one way street favoring the carrier only.
Everything you're trying to do is already being done. ELD shows the times & location. I don't see anything you would do that enhances that.
What's the #1 reason your detention claims get denied?
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by ron.oruganti, Aug 12, 2025 at 12:46 PM.
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When you get told it is FCFS and you are the first truck in the line/parking lot, yet trucks that arrive after you are taken before you, then what? As a driver you get told to pick up/deliver at a certain time, but at arrival, you are told your appt is not for several hours/days in the future, then what? A lot of load assignment info is as clear as mud.
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Absolutely right, wichris. All the raw data—the timestamps and the location—is definitely there in the ELD. I think I might have explained the idea poorly.
My question isn't about collecting 'new' data. It's about the painful process of what happens after the detention occurs. Right now, if you want to fight for that detention pay, you or your dispatcher has to manually (correct me if I'm wrong, anyone):
- Dig through the ELD logs to find the right arrival/departure times.
- Calculate the billable hours against the contract's free time.
- Try to create a professional-looking invoice.
- Write an email and try to attach all the proof.
Is that manual process something you or your fleet finds frustrating? That's the problem we're trying to solve.Gearjammin' Penguin Thanks this. - Dig through the ELD logs to find the right arrival/departure times.
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Good point, wichris, and you've hit on the exact distinction I was trying to get at. You're 100% right—any good TMS handles the billing part.
My question is about the step right before you add that charge in your TMS. When a broker pushes back and says "prove it," what's your process today? Are you manually digging through ELD logs, taking GPS screenshots, and trying to piece together an email?
The tool I'm envisioning isn't a new billing system. It's a "one-click" evidence generator. It automatically creates that "court-ready" packet with the geo-fences, map, the "On Duty" ELD status, the engine data, etc., all in one professional PDF created such that it can be a legal document. The idea is to give you the undeniable proof you need to confidently use the billing feature that's already in your TMS.
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yes, can someone please tell me more about this detention? thank you very much....good buddy
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Detention pay is one of the biggest cat mouse games in this industry and it’s a very simple thing made complex on purpose….and it should be resolved easily, especially if you’re a company driver. If an entire day of your life is taken up sitting somewhere babysitting a load, because the receiver doesn’t wanna offload it or they don’t want to load you, you should be entitled to some compensation for that. However, it’s far and few between in this industry. One of the main culprits is that a lot of trucking companies your dispatcher or driver manager gets a bonus and it’s typically based on how much money he saves in not paying you for things like layover and detention pay. He gets a percentage of the leftover pot at the end of the quarter. This is why you get a plethora of excuses, or just ignored when you put in for it. Not all trucking companies are that way but many are. Most are! There’s a very easy fix for this. Pushing a button on a tablet that logs when you arrive and logs when you leave and you should be paid based on that. Period, but VERY few companies operate that way. You get the ole “wellllllll, you didn’t get it for this reason or that reason. It’s all nonsense. The best of the best companies just track you automatically and it shows up on your pay. The next tier down from that is you have to request it and hope it doesn’t get ignored but usually it does. But sometimes they’ll pay it just to keep you from losing your mind. Lol and the third tier down is the company that just never pays it at all. They will just ignore you. You’d have to take them all the way to the Supreme Court to get any kind of detention pay whatsoever. Most companies fall somewhere in between these two areas and it’s just the way it is.
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The ELD time, GPS location is continually auto updated in the TMS. No input from you required. Contract terms are in that profile. It can even e-mail customer/broker before detention would start. If everything meets the requirements then it's included in the invoice when the load is done. When the BOL's hit the system the invoice is auto generated.Lonwolv54 Thanks this. -
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