Post Gordon ~ Thoughts, Commentary & Reflections

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  1. Victor_V

    Victor_V Road Train Member

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    Trip and pay details of my first 3 weeks.............. page 2, message 17.
    Trip and pay details of my second 3 weeks.......... page 9, message 81.
    Summary of loads............................................ page 14, message 139.
    Best short summary of trucking for Gordon........ CougFan, page 16, messages #152, #153.

    At the top of page 17 (message #161), tow614 said something worth hanging on to:


    Now there's a mouthful worth chewing on.

    Rookies typically don't know yet when they have the wet and smelly part of the turd. So they don't know when to speak up--or how. Earlier I wrote how I needed to push people to the edgy point where they got really upset and revealed their character (page 14, message #136, paragraph 2).

    If tow614 sounds there like he's got one foot always ready to step out of the Cascadia and toss the keys back to Gordon, he probably does and it reveals his character, too. If upset, he isn't going to just stew and take it. He's going to take it to 'em until they take notice. A rookie's first instinct is to keep his head down low enough so that it isn't too likely to get shot right off. What works for tow614 may not work for you or me.

    It's all but impossible at Gordon to take anyone's word as Gospel, not your DM, not your Fleet Manager, not your fellow driver. First off, it's like that anecdote of the seven blind men examining an elephant; each had a separate part, a tusk, the trunk (probiscus), an ear, the tail, the side. They completely disagreed with each other about the elephant--until they decided to share their notes among themselves.

    Gordon is like that elephant: too big for one person who has only his or her own picture of the whole. Secondly, the policy is not the policy is not the policy. It changes. It's not the same as it was a while back or will be at some future point. What was allowed yesterday is not okay today and what's okay today is not going to be okay tomorrow. For that matter, it varies according to whom you're talking to. Oh, yeah. At Pontoon Beach, a mechanic will have to sneak you a spray can of all-purpose cleaner, like it's a big deal, something I could just walk into the shop in Indy and take off the shelf myself if I needed it. Go figure on that one.

    Did I get west of Denver? Ya darn betcha. More on that later.

    The newbie and his stuff had that unpleasant stale cigarette smell. I figured I could put up with it to Franksville. His truck was at Master Tech on the other side of the freeway and near a truck stop on this side. I wasn't familiar with either one. I'm still puzzled that Gordon hired him because he had just had a wreck.

    His last company had fired him after he pulled off from the shoulder and onto the roadway, then a UPS piled into him. Fortunately, both drivers walked away and the UPS driver was held at fault. Only thirty (30) days before. That is, within the last thirty (30) days he had been involved in a DOT-reportable accident and fired. Gordon hired him. He insisted that Gordon hired him knowing all this and I saw him later so apparently so...

    Now I needed to get him to his truck before my hours ran out. Luckily, I somehow spotted Master Tech. As we pushed up the off-ramp I pushed the QualComm at him. "Tell me when it gets down to one minute!" I said. He didn't know where to look. "In the upper right hand corner," I said. I wanted to use all my legitimate clock to get as far, as close as I could. So we could part company and I could have my Cascadia motorhome to myself.

    About half way up he announced, "One minute!" Cool, I said, and pulled over and switched over to off-duty. I crossed over and debated whether to pull into the root beer stand but with all his gear went straight to Master Tech and looked for an entrance. I took the first one, which wasn't right but we drove through the front lot and as I turned into the side lot saw his truck. The QC wasn't even sqawking about being in violation! (Within 2 miles of location went off-duty--test your QC before you try rely on this. I tested mine repeatedly.)

    I pulled up not quite in front of his new ride and shut down right there for the night.

    Welcome to Gordon, buddy!



    Written August 2, 2013 at home, six miles north of Spencer, IN. All rights reserved by author.
     
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  3. RERM

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    I'm a rookie driver, but I come from a completely different industry (insurance sales) were the above mentioned approach has been the standard for DECADES!!!

    They train thousands of salespeople (some companies have trully fantastic training facilities and classes) and yet they do next to nothing to help these trainees develop into seasoned salespeople...what you describe here does not surprise me one bit!!!
     
  4. Victor_V

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    The Newbie's Outspoken Conservative Politics

    The Newbie fancied himself a strongly outspoken conservative, not necessarily a Tea Partier--I'd been to a Tea Party meeting and he hadn't. Our long conversation occurred still on the heels of Obama's surprise victory--pleasantly and a relief to some like me, not so much (slight under-hyperbole here) to those on the Right, like the Newbie, Rush, Rove, Beck, Savage and Hannity, who hadn't picked themselves off the floor yet.

    The Newbie had about a half a tank of political gas left like the Right in general, wondering what Obama-truck ran over them and how they didn't see it coming. The Right had taken the cynical view that if they simply stymied Obama, even if it meant damaging the country, that the short memory of the public would forget what political philosophy brought the world economy to the brink of a historic long, bleak winter.

    Here in Indiana in mid to late 2008, you either had cash or you were broke. You couldn't sell assets to keep going because no one could buy. Your assets were worthless. Cars, trucks, tools, equipment, everything except guns--no one was buying. Things ground to a halt around here and most of Indiana is a red-state area (Moderate to Far Right) and very much so locally. I had gone into the year with $25K in cash and had to sign up with Mid-States Express up in Indy in June to keep my nose above the proverbial.

    The Newbie had never read any Ayn Rand so didn't know the economic playbook underpinning the far Right. He just bought into the anti-government, small government, less regulation mantra that makes it possible for the Gordons to work him a hundred hours a week for less than a 40-hour week should pay. My mechanic in his shop a mile up the road is a good example of this same outspoken economic blindness on steroids.

    His wife is a hygienist at a nearby dental office and most of her teeth cleaning work is funded on the government's dime. While my property is free and clear, paid off, they take a big interest deduction for mortgage interest, allowing them to finance their nice home and acreage (right next to mine) on the government's dime. If all his retirement and pensioners lost their incomes he might as well close his doors. Oh, the problem is entitlements, all right, just not his and what contribute to his income. His are okay.

    There's a wonderful book by Joseph J. Ellis that illustrates that the tension between the 'necessary' accumulations of capital (John Adams, who wrote The Wealth of Nations) and the rights of the people (Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Bill of Rights) has roots going back to our founding. 'Founding Brothers: The Revolutionary Generation' is a great biographical read in paperback. Without trying to, it's a nice little primer on issues of rights and economy still important today and that still define our politics.

    Being of the Viet Nam generation, I experienced an era like this when political divisiveness separated the country into camps that could not speak to each other. We got past that, I think. I listened to the Newbie as much as I talked. We had a lively, robust conversation.

    So we talked as we rolled up I-65 and I-94 for four hours.


    Written August 3, 2013 at home, six miles north of Spencer, IN. 8,999 views as of 7:00 p.m. Thanks! All rights reserved by author.
     
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  5. GreyHound

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    Just my 2 cents worth,

    I can see a problem with both you can Gordon.

    Frist Gordon.I never knew that they did so many short runs. ..

    IMHO if there going to give you all short ruins they should pay you by the hour for any run shorter than 300 miles. As a driver you cant make any money running 50 miles and then spending 2 hours off the clock setting. Its only fair that a person can make some kind of wage to live off.

    If Gordon did not want to pay by the hour for a short run they should guarantee you a minimum of 2000 mile per week. That way its on the dispatcher to get you a wage you can live on. If you did 1600 miles runnig short you would still be paid for 2000.

    Now as for the OP. I think you like to whine a little and push people buttons. You ragged to the management about there smoking so much I'm surprised they didn't fire you off the bat. I would clean and disinfect any truck when I got into it no matter how clean it looked. You should have just sucked it up

    Its not up to them to give you a nice shinned new truck when you not gonna be in it for that long. ( 5 and 5 ) A $$ 130k truck needs to be roiling for any one to make money. Now if I never ran with a APU before I would never have left the yard without knowing how everything worked. Including how to do elogs.

    I all fairness I think a lot of the problems could have been avoided if you just sat down and talked it over.
     
  6. Victor_V

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    Dispatch #36--Columbus IN E Indianapolis IN L Green Bay WI
    441 miles........................................................... $136.71

    In the morning I checked with the Newbie before I pulled out and he seemed fine. His truck was a sister to 3579 and no doubt that pleased him. All the way from Indy he marveled at 3579's smooth ride. Well, it had brand new steering tires so it should, after all. Apparently he had been driving some pretty junky equipment from the way it sounded. He had been impressed, as I had been, at all the good rubber in Indy.

    His truck had started fine the night before and the APU worked, if I recall. I think I gave him a pretty good heads up at what to expect, without dousing his enthusiasm. Despite all the gear he had with him, he had no food. I had plenty, so gave him some cans of food to hold him over for the night, bottled water and some plastic silverware. It must have seemed to him that UPS bumping his rump was a gift from the Universe.

    Well, that's how I would have thought about it, if I were him. It may not have occurred to him that anything was going on other than pretty unpredictable luck. At the very least he was counting his blessings at this unexpected windfall and an opportunity to recover from being fired and involved in a wreck. He had gone from calamity to one of the safest fleets in the country in the short span of 30 days.

    I did see him later, I think at the drop yard in Forest View, not sure. He recognized me and I had sort of forgotten him. I did remember that he had left his Orientation souvenir Gordon stocking cap in 3579 and took the opportunity to return it to him.

    The delivery in Green Bay was a 'power' unload of palletized bottled water (a typical low-dollar rookie load at 40,549 pounds) and I don't remember much other than the construction in the area that made me circle a couple times, could see it but couldn't get directly there for the torn up streets.

    I never got to the Green Bay terminal despite a number of trips and an ongoing repartee on the QC with a night dispatcher ever since Joliet that would continue until I left Gordon. When I got to the customer in Joliet I had just a few minutes fading rapidly before my 'appointment'. I could see it but couldn't find a way in. I called dispatch. He answered and had no info. "What part of Minnesota are you from?" I asked.

    "I'm-not-from-Minnesota," he said, seriously. "Well, you certainly are," I said. "And if not Minnesota, you're from some other part of Sven-and-Ollie-land." "You-can-tell-that?" He said. "Ya darn betcha!" I said, reaching back into my Min-ny-So-atah accent. We both got a laugh off that and he said he was out of Green Bay.

    I finally re-read the 'once-you-get-off-the-freeway' directions off the QC. It looked like I was going to be a bit late but it brought me right to the gate and--they were open 24 hours. No appointment needed after all. After I got in I QCd Green Bay Sven for the delivery window and he wouldn't tell me. Top secret.

    Just Gordon, being Gordon.


    Written August 4, 2013 at China Star Buffet, Ellettsville, IN. Hey! GreyHound! You've got a great typo there: 'short ruins'. (4th sentence.) Please don't correct it. Thanks. All rights reserved by author.
     
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  7. Desert_Skies

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    I think the OP is a bit of a drama queen just like all the others that post these long babbling posts. Honestly I gave up after the first page but I must admit I check in now and then to see if the guy is still alive.

    Myself I spent four months at Gordon in between Walmart and Landstar and I will tell you based on my 20+ years experience that drivers with 1-5 years in the industry could do pretty well at Gordon. Their dispatchers and load planners are the typical pencil pushing morons that seem to somehow find their way into this industry. Because of this its really no better than any other dweller outfit. Not to be cruel but most of the drivers at Gordon will never move above the .50 CPM barrier that seperates the best fom the....well you know.
     
  8. tow614

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    Desert_skies... if you could tell me of a company that pays experienced drivers more than .50 per mile I would appreciate it. I have 11 years accident free..no tickets and a zero csa score. .
     
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    You have 11 years and you dont know whos paying the good money? You my friend are either just not real well informed or your really content with your current position and because of that you have put zero time into improving your position in this industry.

    I knew where to make the money before I even got into trucking. Back in 1991 when I started I knew the guys making the big money were Teamsters hauling groceries. So I made that my goal,what was your goal when you started driving?
     
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    My goal was to get out of it ... lol... was not my chosen profession.. my wife and I drove team until this year so the money has always been quite good for us. And yes I am doing ok with gordon but always open to suggestions. However if iteans joining a union then I must respectfully decline. I have no problem with those who choose to do so but for very serious reasons that I am unable to go into I can never work for a union. No problem with workers just leadership and my knowledge is firsf hand not rumors and conjecture. . But thank you for the reply..
     
  11. Desert_Skies

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    I was a Teamster for 17 years,had to be at Fred Meyer but I was never a flag waving union guy. I did my job and paid my dues and appreciated local 162's help during contract negotiations. I built a nice house in the country,raised two kids and bought some nice toys with the money made at that union job. But I understand and realize its not for everyone.

    If your against working in the union the only other one that comes to mind is Walmart. They are very picky and only take the best of the best. Of course there is no union but they tend to be very controlling and you trade 100% of your freedom for that nice fat pay check. Go check out the Walmart thread,its pretty informative but I think they might be dropping their standards a bit judging by what I see in the way of posts.

    There is another option,you could buy your own truck and put it on here at Landstar. A word of warning the freedom is to much for alot of company drivers and they have problems functioning in an environment where you need to be able to load plan and dispatch yourself. With that said if you have a basic grasp of how freight lanes and rates work and you can communicate well with the agents the trade off is 100% freedom. You run when and where you want and as much or as little as you want and no one really gives a rats butt if you work at all.
     
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