Making Money w/ SCHNEIDER IC Choice is NOT EASY!

Discussion in 'Schneider' started by rickybobby, Dec 21, 2016.

  1. noluck

    noluck Road Train Member

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    Sni is subject to the ups and downs of the freight market like everyone. If demand is soft it will effect everything and everyone. Same with freight lanes. Everyone knows north south freight is cheap always has and always will be
     
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  3. rickybobby

    rickybobby Road Train Member

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    Its not all ups and downs here. This has been going on for about 3yrs with choice. This is planned plain and simple.
     
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  4. noluck

    noluck Road Train Member

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    I can't comment to that. I also have been out of the van market for years. I do know that the open deck market has been real soft for at least two years now. Generally the van market will go soft, and driver flood the flat market searching for higher rates. Which in turns kills that market.
     
  5. noluck

    noluck Road Train Member

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    I wonder how the tanker choice is stacking up though. That would be the one I would choose if I wanted to go to sni
     
  6. MOGLAR

    MOGLAR Heavy Load Member

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    Any LP is a joke! This is nothing but a modern version of share cropping for drivers. I would rather pour jet fuel on my head....light it on fire...then beat it out with a 10 pound sledge hammer than do a "fleece purchase."

    The issue is drivers get all giddy like a teenager when you wave a shiny truck in front of them in one hand....and LP documents in the other. The devil is in the details! First and fore most you have absolutely NO RIGHTS TO THE TRUCK WHAT SO EVER! NONE! ZERO! ZILCH! NADA! Do you know why? Because the truck is not yours! You dont even have a title with them listed as a lien holder! Scribbling on a company document does not give you any rights to the truck. You are paying for all the maintenance on a truck for them!

    The way they push lease purchases on drivers is the envy of every TV infomercial. Speaking of that many lease purchase driven company's literally have the sales pitch down to a science to try an convince you that you own your own trucking company. I literally have to keep myself from vomiting in my own mouth when I see this happen to a driver.

    Lets take an objective view of the behind the scenes manipulation of how they convince the drivers to actually fall for this scam. Let me set the scene for you first. Ever been to a carnival that has all those cool fairway games you can play to win a big stuffed animal? You will most likely see someone win and walk off with a hulking teddy bear. This person is a Schill that was supposed to win so others will see him. Usually the schill is a deliberate plant or chosen at random to win. In any event all the other people see the win and scamper up to the carnival game to try their luck convinced they could do it too....but fail. As do all the others fail. But from time to time there will be a few winners to give the others hope of success. Get the point. Fleece purchases are no different and employ they same strategy. Just like a progressive jack pot at a casino. Many will play....few will win. This "dangling" the bait at the end of a hook is the hallmark of the fleece purchase.

    Wow Moglar you are a troll and have no idea what you are talking about. Well I do. I live in Missouri and have long known friends that are involved in an upper management level with the nuts and bolts of fleece purchases. I will leave it at that without divulging the carrier.

    One of the main tactics is to give the LP driver the illusion that he/she is in charge. This is not the case. "But I can pick my own loads like a real owner operator." Yes and No. You only see what they want you to pull. Many other trucks in the area see the same loads. It will get covered whether you pull it or not. In other words.....loads you see are actually chosen/selected for you to see by someone else. You dont see them all. The loads are cherry picked. The schills will unknowingly see the pick of the litter giving them the illusion that they are doing such a wonderful job and making decisions. Also there is a ton of buddy hustling that goes on. Lots of loads you wont see because they are saved for favorites and "special people." Let me make this easy.....you will ONLY see what they want you to see! In an area with no loads? NOT TRUE! Its that the loads are visible to certain favorites and people. Like I said...you have no control. Its designed to make you THINK your in control.

    What I am trying to say is you have NO control. Its designed to make you think you actually run something....but you dont. How do we keep this fleece monster fed? Out of a certain number or drivers only "x" amount will get the trucks. The drivers that get the trucks can go out and tell others how great and wonderful fleece purchase is and how hard they worked. The company will get on their soap boxes and herald the success of the new truck owner and even put his face on trucking magazines and advertisements showing how delighted the driver is. I am not going to go into a whole diatribe on how much money the carriers make off the fleece purchases.....I will tell you its HUGE! That will require a much longer post to show the math behind the fleece and the services etc etc. Its a mountain of money.

    I am just sorry I didnt invent the fleece purchase myself....I would of been sitting on Fiji by now enjoying umbrella drinks while raking in the cash.



    Take care.
     
  7. Opus

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    said the dude who got burnt......
     
  8. MOGLAR

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    Fleece purchases are a burn job....its that simple. Its like a side show carnival game. Wanna step up and play and try your luck.......go right ahead. No different than playing a progressive slot machine at a casino....but your being ripped off a lot worse.
     
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  9. DrFlush

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    And the failure spouts off again, his ignorance shows why he failed
     
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  10. MOGLAR

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    Actually I never did a fleece purchase...and never will. Its a shame and a pitty how this scam perpetrated the trucking industry. I have heavily researched this from many resources from the OOIDA, several states attorney generals offices, trucking attorneys and accountants. This is right up there with pay day loans.....actually in some cases its worse. In other words I did my research...and so did other drivers (maybe not as much).

    Many drivers think they know it all because they made it through. Its like a slot player thinking they know how to play slot machines because they hit a jackpot. Out of 100 drivers 94% are designed to fail. Now don't get me wrong....the driver does have a hand in increasing his odds....but very minimally.

    Look your free to do what ever you want. You want to play "Pay day loan" pretend owner operator with a a truck that doesn't even belong to you and you have no rights to.....go for it.

    Hopefully my post saved someone from doing something outright foolish.
     
  11. redoctober83

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    So the loads I get from OH to LA that pay me $2.10/mile is cheap? There's always good freight, it's just knowing where to look.
    Well at least you're upfront that you're a troll. Though you did exactly what you claim all these lease purchase places do, you buried the important info deep in the document.
    And I'm sure they were sitting in a smoked filled backwoods bar where all the whistle blowers go to stay anonymous and spill all the details.

    You should look for a better carrier if they're that slimy and cheat everyone.

    Though then again, my guess would be you have failed and blame it on them instead of taking responsibility for not being financially ready to run a business.
     
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