The fight againts ELDs,A large number of drivers forming.

Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by EZ Money, May 26, 2017.

  1. UsualSuspect

    UsualSuspect Road Train Member

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    You realize an ELD compliant system must track all changes, and who made them, as well as keep a copy of all the original records prior to the edit? If you look at the spec's, all the records are out in the cloud, and my guess is the FMCSA will use a Big Data approach to look at who has the highest ratio of edited records per driver, and will audit them. Folks who constantly edit will end up having to explain how the truck is moving while it was parked. I have a feeling most think it is an app, but there is much more to it.
     
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  3. Tb0n3

    Tb0n3 Road Train Member

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    Can't edit drive time.
     
  4. pattyj

    pattyj Road Train Member

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    True to all of the above but who says companies follow laws to the letter?I know I was at my 14 and a hundred miles to go with a local company.Dispatch changed it the next day.I was over because I had trailer issues and took it to the terminal in Sioux falls where I delivered at they took there sweet time fixing it.
     
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  5. Outcast Trucker

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    I've been made to run illegal while on elogs so I know you can. Yes the Carrier can edit elogs when they see it useful for them.
     
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  6. UsualSuspect

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    Yes, but the original record is still there. I did some work at a mega, I can tell you when it gets changed there are a slew of notifications that go out, especially if there is a violation. It will show up during the audit that it was changed, by whom, and what the changes were. You also have the option to reject the changes, most don't, so they will say it was the driver who tried to hide it, but they saw it, and corrected the record. I doubt much would be said if you did it every now and then, but do it a few times a month and be outside the bell curve and see how fast they system will work. Today the changes will show up in an audit, but someone has to look for it. Mid-2018 no will have to look for it, the backend systems will just generate a report, and I will almost bet all someone will get is a letter in the mail from them, with 30 days to respond.
     
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  7. tow614

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    No company can force you to run illegal on elogs or paper. If you choose to do so it is on you and you only.
    If your company changes your drive time then the system will report it and that is on them.

    The chances of companies editing your drive time is very rare and I would advise not working for anyone who would do so.
     
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  8. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    Accepting that the ATA no more has a driver's best interests in mind than does the fox guarding the hen house is no conspiracy theory.
     
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  9. tow614

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    Whatever...
    But there simply is not enough money involved here to merit a lobbyist trying to have elogs mandated.
    The plain and simple truth is had drivers done their job legally there would be no need for them. And those who are affected financially as a result of being forced to run legally do not belong in this industry anyway.
     
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  10. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    The ATA has plenty of members, and thus plenty of money to buy votes in Washington. They're not the only ones.

    The vast majority of us most certainly do our iobs legally, but it's more profitable for the ATA's contributing members to buy their way into forcing the issue of everyone else operating by whatever parameters they dictate because likes of C.R. England and Werner either can't or won't pay good drivers to drive for them. Apparently it's better to hire morons and deal with the consequences later in ways like what we're talking about here.
     
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  11. tucker

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    What?
    The ATA and the Mega companies dreamt up CSA2010 and spent millions getting it passed into law, it was going to put the single truck and small companies out of business, it really backfired on them,

    The ATA is solely responsible for this elog mandate, who else has lobbied for elogs? Not the public, not the insurance companies and no citizens against tired truckers have said a word.
    The Mega trucking companies think this will put the small companies out of business, it won't ,
     
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