Moving from dock to parking area? EOBR vs ELD

scottied67 · Sep 5, 2017

RStewart said: ↑

Still counts against your 70 & interrupts a 10 hour break.
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Hence the reason I say drivers will be lucky to make 1800 miles a week.

pattyj · Sep 5, 2017

Joeziah said: ↑

Currently, If one moves from a dock to a parking area at a customer.
OR
From the customer to a truck stop within 2 miles of the customer. (5 miles but its a bit tricky)
Most EOBR trucks will not actually switch to the drive line or interrupt the sleeper birth.

If this is taken away, I don't see how drivers are going to be able to make any money safely in this industry anymore if they are forced to arrive at a receiver or shipper with 10+ hours left on their 14?

If you have an afternoon appointment, that means you are going to have to drive nights (inherently dangerous) on any afternoon appointments now. Also, your schedule is going to be all over the place now and you won't be able to get nearly as many miles....

Meaning...Detention pay is going to need to go up sharply OR line haul rates are going to need to significantly increase considering the dramatic increase in per mile pay for the drivers (to make up for the fewer miles).

Also, just a thought, how clever were those major companies lobbying for this eh? They have EOBR and now their smaller competition being forced to use ELDs will be decimated for at least another year until the ELD requirements hit the mega carriers with EOBRs.
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From what I read thruout the forum the drivers don't get the miles so I don't see how a few extra minutes on the clock to move would interfere with making money.

Joeziah · Sep 5, 2017

pattyj said: ↑

From what I read thruout the forum the drivers don't get the miles so I don't see how a few extra minutes on the clock to move would interfere with making money.
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Its because of the 10 hour interrupt.

They are going to have to dispatch you out an extra day on many loads just so you can get to a shipper/receiver with enough time in case they take 5+ hours to get you in and out.

Now your going to get 3-4 days to knock out a 1000 mile run you used to be able to do in 2 days or 1.5.

Otherwise your going to be racking up HOS violations like crazy when they kick you out of a dock when you run out of hours.

And now we have these nice little elog modules that the DOT can more quickly, wirelessly in many cases, pull your logs as you roll through a scale and write you a nice ticket. All because you had the audacity to move your truck 1000 feet and not log it as on duty. You reckless beast!

ZVar · Sep 5, 2017

Joeziah said: ↑

And now we have these nice little elog modules that the DOT can more quickly, wirelessly in many cases, pull your logs as you roll through a scale and write you a nice ticket.
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Stop spouting male bovine excrement. There are currently zero, and zero plans to allow dot to remotely pull data from an eld. They will have to have it emailed, or look at the unit in the truck...

Joeziah · Sep 5, 2017

ZVar said: ↑

Stop spouting male bovine excrement. There are currently zero, and zero plans to allow dot to remotely pull data from an eld. They will have to have it emailed, or look at the unit in the truck...
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Ok yes, currently they don't "Plan" to be able to just pull it as you roll through.
But it would be stupid to think that its not coming down the pipe just like the ELD mandate did.
First you will have a choice to use telematics, then they will mandate it once they figure out they can.

How will safety officials receive data electronically from two different types of ELDs?

mhyn · Sep 5, 2017

Joeziah said: ↑

Ok yes, currently they don't "Plan" to be able to just pull it as you roll through.
But it would be stupid to think that its not coming down the pipe just like the ELD mandate did.
First you will have a choice to use telematics, then they will mandate it once they figure out they can.

How will safety officials receive data electronically from two different types of ELDs?
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+1 . it will happen in 4-5 years.

ZVar · Sep 5, 2017

mhyn said: ↑

+1 . it will happen in 4-5 years.
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Yeppers. About the same time I'll get a flying car.

peterd · Sep 9, 2017

hoosiergirl said: ↑

I just don't understand this argument so forgive me if I'm a bit dense. My husband does combo reefer and dry van and is governed at 65 and has gotten well over 3,000 miles a week for the last 6 weeks except for 1 week all on elds with a smaller company, company driver. What am I missing here.
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You are missing nothing. Just the E-log hype. Have been on E-logs for 7 years and I don't usually have a problem. There are hiccups once in awhile. But that can happen with paper logs also.

Night_driver · Sep 17, 2017

Joeziah said: ↑

Right, that amount of miles is completely unacceptable.
For company drivers, typical pay is between .42 and .50 per mile effectively.
That is $800-900 per week before taxes fica etc.
That is absurd, nobody will or should drive OTR for that pay these days.

Let alone an owner operator trying to put together a decent business while only getting 80k or 90k loaded miles per year.

Again, I just see guys going out and doing stupid stuff like night driving to trying to eek out 2000 miles a week just to stay afloat + comply with HOS regulations.

This would be a massive disaster they (FMCSA) couldn't ignore if it were not for mega carriers being able to still cheat with their existing systems until 2019.

Sounds conspiratorial but I wonder if this is going to be the club the megas use to force out of business the smaller guys for two years and then roll the regs back out after the tornado decimates the industry and constricts the supply of available trucks (thus raising freight rates and giving them more bargaining power with customers).
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It seems like the rates have been climbing up the last few months.

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