Off duty question

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Gojacogo, Jan 31, 2019.

  1. Gojacogo

    Gojacogo Bobtail Member

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    Hi all, new old driver here.

    I returned to trucking after a 10 year stint. I was working for a company and had to team train for a few weeks, absolutely worse experience I have experienced.

    My question is whenever I was stuck in traffic or waiting at a receiver my trainer would put me off duty. I told him not to mess with my logs and he got angry and told me to call safety. I thought I was right but the lady in safety told me that when waiting at a receiver I was off duty. I was dumbfounded because I researched this and was pretty confident I was right. I thought you stay on duty not driving.

    Can someone clarify this for me? I know in traffic this was wrong but I forgot to mention this to safety. The trainer wanted me off his truck after we had this issue. I talked with him and apologized and begged him to please allow me to finish my training because we were so close to being done . He let me finish my training but this incident left a bad taste in my mouth.

    I quit the job after my training. I am looking to go otr again but will research and find a better company to go with and no team training. I think team training is bad anyway. You learn next to nothing and the only one benefitting is the trainer.
     
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  3. tnevin225

    tnevin225 Road Train Member

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    Safety was right, if your not offloading the truck and just sitting there waiting your off duty. The traffic thing though is wrong, should not go off duty in that situation, not that I haven't but it's a no no. I think you will learn that every minute you spend on duty takes away from your drive time and thats how you make your living all your doing is hurting yourself when you wast time on duty.
     
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  4. Gojacogo

    Gojacogo Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the info. I guess I misread the information. I always try to follow the rules and did not want to do anything that puts me in violation.
     
  5. scottied67

    scottied67 Road Train Member

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    All time at the customer is to be logged On Duty Not Driving unless relieved by your company or the customer. You can log Sleeper if you have one and you are in it.

    Here is a post from another TTR member from another thread where they were popped for being Off Duty at a customer while waiting to be loaded.

     
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  6. Tombstone69

    Tombstone69 Road Train Member

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    Your in my boat,Welcome.I'm not scared, but definitely know I
    need to get a lot more computer savvy before I get out there.Welcome to the computer age,what did we ever do without them.A lot more paperwork I guess.Good luck.
     
  7. Gojacogo

    Gojacogo Bobtail Member

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    I guess this is a grey area then that companies do not teach properly or tell you about.

    That's the way I read the rule was you are on duty at all times until you are shut down for the day and off duty.
     
  8. Chinatown

    Chinatown Road Train Member

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    That metro cop was wrong.
     
  9. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    Since you like to be pedantic, you might want to quote that full regulation.
    It says while waiting for a dispatch all time at a customers must be on duty.

    "(1) All time at a plant, terminal, facility, or other property of a motor carrier or shipper, or on any public property, waiting to be dispatched, unless the driver has been relieved from duty by the motor carrier;"

    People seem to always forget that the waiting to be dispatched clause is there.....

    As for the op's question for traffic here is the guidance...

    Question 25: When a driver experiences a delay on an impassable highway, should the time he/she is delayed be entered on the record of duty status as driving time or on-duty (not driving)?

    Guidance: Delays on impassable highways must be recorded as driving time because §395.2 defines “driving time” as all time spent at the driving controls of a Commercial Motor Vehicle CMV in operation.
     
  10. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    Metro cop is wrong.

    The computer age, truck in dock or waiting on company stuff etc onduty. Unfortunately just being involved with live loading or live unloading will destroy your 70 hour week FAST to zero leaving you with no money made from a few hundred or a thousand miles.

    The better remedy is to find a outfit that does very little to no lives at shippers or reciever.

    The trainer doing the off duty on a public roadway is in violation. Legally he cannot mess with your logs either.

    The paper stuff was way better than the computer stuff in my time. The computer stuff just exposes more pathways for enforcement and so on because this is one industry you are not really off duty until you are relieved of all responsibility to the truck (INCLUDING WAITING FOR A LOAD.... at a facility somewhere.) You are literally free to go play.

    It is really unfortunate that in this information age our shippers and recievers are truly slack and lazy at the docks, leaving us to wait 10, 12, 16 hours just to get something moving.
     
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  11. Gojacogo

    Gojacogo Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the information. I loved paper logs that's all I used before I left trucking. The trainer was constantly messing with my logs. I kept asking him what he was doing and he wouldn't answer me. He would take the Qualcomm and I could not see what he was doing. Once we stopped I would look at my logs and try to fix what he did. That's when he started getting angry with me and things went south from there.
     
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