Multi-stop Pick Turns to Intrastate Delivery? What do you do?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by PE_T, Dec 27, 2019.

  1. roshea

    roshea Road Train Member

    Now it is a question of whether the broker intended to skirt the intrastate authority requirement in case you didn't have it. I doubt he asked if you had it, and you had no reason to tell him you didn't. Can't prove he did or he didn't. What would you have done if you were given this as a delivery address and not just an additional pickup?
     
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  3. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    There is a thought. Complete GPS coordinates to 20 feet on the earth will substitute for survey locating those delivery areas with no addressing.
     
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  4. PE_T

    PE_T Road Train Member

    I don’t know the legality of the order of picks and drops. It could be that the order doesn’t matter, and that all that is needed to remain legal is to have multiple BOLs for each individual load. In my case, for example, the broker should have told me this work involved two loads and included this information in the rate con.

    I would have asked if the pickup state required an intrastate authority.
     
  5. PE_T

    PE_T Road Train Member

    It seems like ultimately the government just requires “origin and destination points” without having to provide the full address. Even the inspection document given to the driver after a DOT inspection only has the city and state.
     
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  6. x1Heavy

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    Each pick up and drop was done in sequence. If I had 30 drops off two pickups around the NE out of Baltimore a whole week, then my briefcase has a stack of 30 signed BOL marked by me in number sequence of delivery, stop one stop two stop three etc.

    All of them have at least... Pickup origin address,name of shipper, load load count weight etc. And where that particular group went.

    If I ended up in Maine or some other spot near Boston in Foxboro empty, if loaded back then a BOL is built for load number two loaded in say New Haven CT to Baltimore whole truckload. Maybe Paint hazmat maybe steel goods from a foundry or wherever or whatever fit int hat 45 foot reefer. We pretty much stuffed it.
     
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  7. PE_T

    PE_T Road Train Member

    To be clear, my case is not the ordinary multi-stop load. It involves two loads that overlap. Both loads pick up in shipper #1. Load #1 has two shippers. Load #2 only has one shipper and delivers at the shipper #2 of load #1, if that makes any sense.
     
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  8. x1Heavy

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    I got you. I was working on what is necessary for BOL.

    There is two more things that come to mind. "Shipper Load and Count" and be very careful if they date and time stamp the #### thing. That can throw your logs off.
     
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  9. Farmerbob1

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    Well, my take on it is this. As long as the customer gets what they want at a price that is acceptable to you, where's the problem?

    If it makes you do something illegal, then that's obviously a different story.

    If the money is solid, and you are legal, the most I'd ask for is pay for an additional stop.
     
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  10. starmac

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    None of the bills I use on the hauls I do now have an actual address on them, just the shipper, reciever and the towns. When I haul logs, there is no such a thing as a bill of lading at all.
    Bock in my hay hauling out law days I never filled out a bill, until I delivered, and even wrote to somewhere in my log book. The dot hassled me everytime they saw me, and would gripe everytime, but could not come up with anything illegal about it. I would just ask them if they knew where I was delivering, and tell them I didn't either. I would make a phone call at some point and find out where the delivery was. That way I could cut a hundred or so miles off of a lot of trips. lol
     
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  11. Largecar359

    Largecar359 Road Train Member

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    So at the end of the day did you do both loads for initial freight rate? Or did you adjust your rate accordingly? If you wanted to adjust the rate and broker put up no fight, then they knew what was “Shakin”. If they were as surprised as you were they would start making phone calls asking why it was hidden from them as well as yourself. You would hope things are on the up N’ up, but unfortunately in this new era of trucking the cardinal rule seems to be get over on the trucker at every turn if possible.
     
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