Opinions on new vs used flatbeds.

Discussion in 'Flatbed Trucking Forum' started by RunningAces, Aug 29, 2020.

  1. RunningAces

    RunningAces Road Train Member

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    Just got my first truck and am having a hard time deciding if I want to go new or used with my flatbed.
    I've only ever used Reitenour trailers, 48' 53' flats and steps because that's what my former company runs. They have 2014 flats for sale for $23500 and that looks like a competitive price for one.
    Im also looking at a 2021 Fontaine all aluminum flat. It has a few more features im looking for, rear axel dump and good single coil rating at 52k, winch tracks on both sides. It is $40k which looks like the going rate for new all aluminum 48' flats.

    At only about 17k difference between brand new with more bells and whistles vs a trailer im already familiar with im leaning towards new. Any advice about new vs used flatbeds or the Fontaine brand of flatbed?

    Specifically this is the Fontaine I'm looking at:
    https://www.truckpaper.com/listings...ty-50-48-x-102-revolution-all-aluminum-flatbe
     
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  3. Rontonio

    Rontonio Road Train Member

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    couple things about new trailers

    1st they come with new tires and brakes So figure that is worth $5k

    2nd the additional depreciation on the $17k difference is worth money depending on your tax situation - even in 20% tax bracket that would be $3-4K

    3rd no one but you will have pulled and mistreated that trailer - so you will get additional life out of the trailer.

    4th the financing on new equipment is usually friendlier in terms of rate and terms. Your mileage may vary depending on your credit situation.

    last, If you sell or trade that trailer at some point in the future, you will capture part of the $17k difference in the form of retained value. Selling a 6 year newer trailer is just worth more. If you keep the trailer so long that the values are the same then you got your money’s worth and it doesn’t matter.


    So there is the case for new

    I almost always go new
     
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  4. daf105paccar

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    ABS---How many modulators?
    Number off sensors?
    Charge for boxes and lift on the front axle?
    What extra's on the secondhand units?
    Can your cashflow handle either off those purchases?
     
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  5. Judge

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    I’ve ran a Fontaine 48 flatbed back in 06, the flaw I always hated, was the stiff mud flaps, if you backed up to get your hood as far back and the curb was at an angle or you just touched it, you just tore a mud flaps off, so you get to put that back on.
    I was going to stop for a 2 hour nap, but instead I’ll just go stand in the heat and fix a mud flap.

    The company I had also used a 48’102 “California Spread” so the rear axle was at 45’ instead of all the way back with 3’ overhang passed rear of trailer.
    That was good, but you had to be careful loading, as to much weight right there would through you over axle.

    Fontaine flatbed was a good one, held up good, just get ready to change the mud flaps to rubber instead of that hard plastic one.
     
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  6. RunningAces

    RunningAces Road Train Member

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    I'm unsure about the ABS modulators. The newer trailer has rear axel dump but not a front lift. Neither has boxes installed but at most I may add one down the line.
    The used unit has a Reitenour coil package and lift front axel.
    Probably paying cash for whichever I decide to purchase so the new companies cash flow won't get hurt by added overhead.
     
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  7. RunningAces

    RunningAces Road Train Member

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    The new Fontaine rear is all the way back and should still be California legal, I'll double check that though because it would be a deal breaker if it isn't. To be honest I was under the impression all 48'ers would be California legal and it wasn't until you went to 53' that you'd run into problems.
    If I go with the new Fontaine and they still use the stiff plastic flaps I will pickup a pair of the rubber ones and change them immediately. Thanks for the tip.
     
  8. RunningAces

    RunningAces Road Train Member

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    Thanks for all this I have been overlooking the added depreciation of the trailer when considering costs. The used has definitely been well used because the company I was with who is selling them rarely ships anything under 45k.
     
  9. Judge

    Judge Road Train Member

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    A CA spread axle is also referred to as a CA - FL legal spread. It refers to the distance from the king pin to the center of the rear axle. CA & FL require that distance to be 41 feet. A traditional spread axle is longer than 41 feet from these two points.


    A 10’/1" spread axle is
    legal in California. The maximum weight allowed for a 10’/1” tandem
    would be 40,000 lbs. Also, if the trailer is over 48 feet, you would need
    to maintain a 40' king pin to rear axle setting in order to comply with CA length laws.
     
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  10. RunningAces

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    I see normal spread axle 48'ers all over CA. Would these be technically illegal then?
     
  11. Rontonio

    Rontonio Road Train Member

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    the KP restriction does not apply to trailers 48’ and under. Trailers over 48’ must meet the KP law in CA.

    California has some routes restricted to 65’ OAL length and the 48’ trailers can get caught up in those areas
     
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