Out of school, WWYD?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by JoeB, Sep 30, 2009.

  1. JoeB

    JoeB Light Load Member

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    So- completed 8 wks/300 hrs of training at tech school 9/25. See http://www.thetruckersreport.com/tr...9-falling-behind-in-school-4.html#post1051785

    Thinking long & hard about whether OTR is truly my place. Seriously considering seasonal farm hauling. How would a big OTR carrier view applicant in the dead of winter whose only experience is farm hauling for a couple months?

    More questions for experienced OTR drivers:

    Can an OTR solo company driver reliably stop every Sun AM? Maybe run until midnight Sat night/Sun AM & go to line 2 for 8 hrs, then line 1 until noon? IIRC, you must have at least 8 hrs on line 2, plus 2 hrs on line 1; or 10 hrs on line 1 (motel/friend/home) daily. Staying on line 1 till noon would delay the load by 2 hrs (vs running maximum legal hrs), since you're off-duty for 12 instead of 10 hrs. Easy/likely to make up these 2 "lost" hrs on line 3? Any pattern to deliveries; i.e. are Sun PM deliveries less likely than Mon AM? I know some small business docks are closed weekends, but retail DCs must be 24/7.

    When in training OTR, do you have any influence over when you stop? Assuming trainer is riding jumpseat, do you stop as often/as long as running solo? (trainer is on line 4 while rookie drives, I assume). In relation to previous paragraph, assume trainer will want to run maximum legal hours, correct?

    Would you recommend a big OTR carrier with a higher DOT safety rating vs. one with a lower rating? Why? Assume higher rating=less breakdowns & scale/OOS delays.

    Any carriers/types of companies that have both Class B & Class A? Considering Class B (8 yrs bus exp) at fantasy co., then move to Class A later. Understand that Class B and/or local work is meaningless to OTR positions.

    Suggestions (from O/O, please) on training/teaming with an O/O? Pay for a few wks while in training is not an issue.

    Taking a week off (offline) to collect my thoughts. Thanks in advance for any/all feedback!

    JoeB
     
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  3. ROADRUNNER2

    ROADRUNNER2 Bobtail Member

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    JoeB,
    Be careful about going Class B thinking you'll switch to Class A later on down the road. You have a MUCH better chance getting hired as a driver right out of school. If you wait for awhile, most companies will say you have no "recent" driving experience and not hire you. I even knew a guy who applied at a company after taking time off and they told him he would have to re-attend driving school. He had about 5 yrs. exp. and took 6 mos. off.
    As for the log book stuff, I log legal, and yes you can take any combination of time for sleeper/off duty so long as it's at least 10 hrs. consecutive. I usually take a 10 hr. break, but will take longer if need be.
    Hope this helps:)
     
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  4. JoeB

    JoeB Light Load Member

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    Thanks for words of wisdom. Does working for a farmer/non-DAC employer also leave a gap (in the eyes of a carrier)?
    Seems that the real question here is whether appointments are typically tight. In talking to an ex-driver, I'm told that Wal-Mart DCs have non-negotiable appointment times. According to him, any other consignee is flexible. True? Any hints on avoiding hot loads/tight appointments? If deliveries typically have several hours of leeway built in to appointment, OTR should work fine.
     
  5. outerspacehillbilly

    outerspacehillbilly "Instigator of the Legend"

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    People who don't know what the hell they are talking about shopuld not give answers to questions. You cannot take any combination for your 10 hr break. You have to have at least 8 hrs in the sleeper and the other 2 or more hours can also be in the sleeper or off duty. Or you can take a full break off duty that's at least 10 hrs if applicable.


     
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  6. ROADRUNNER2

    ROADRUNNER2 Bobtail Member

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    You just re-stated what I said.
     
  7. ROADRUNNER2

    ROADRUNNER2 Bobtail Member

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    JoeB,
    Not sure about the farm driving, so I can't help you there. As far as appts. go, it really depends on whether the company runs hot loads or not. The companies I have worked for give plenty of time to make your appts. even with bad weather and traffic figured in. Some receivers will allow no wiggle room in the appt., it just depends on where you're delivering to. As far as avoiding a hot load, if you get a dispatch that is tight, let your dipatcher know before taking the load that it will be tight for you to make it, you may not be able to make it, and make sure if it's late it's not on you.
     
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    chief Heavy Load Member

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    no, he didn't. according to you, you can have any combination of sleeper/off duty time as long as it adds up to 10 hours. this is incorrect. if you use the sleeper birth as part of your time off, you have to have at least 8 consecutive hours on this line. why do solo drivers even use the sleeper birth line? it is meant for team drivers so they can split up their off duty time. I always just used the off duty line. never had an issue with company or DOT taking 10 hours off duty.
     
  9. ROADRUNNER2

    ROADRUNNER2 Bobtail Member

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    This is what is listed in the HOS regs. I've never had any problems logging this way. I do not drive team and know nothing about split sleeper times.


    (g) Sleeper berths. (1) Property-carrying commercial motor vehicle.' (i) In General. A driver who operates a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle equipped with a sleeper berth, as defined in §§395.2 and 393.76 of this subchapter,
    (g)(1)(i)(A) Must, before driving, accumulate
    (1) At least 10 consecutive hours off duty;
    (2) At least 10 consecutive hours of sleeper-berth time;
    (3) A combination of consecutive sleeper-berth and off-duty time amounting to at least 10 hours; or
    (4) The equivalent of at least 10 consecutive hours off duty if the driver does not comply with paragraph (g)(1)(i)(A)(1), (2), or (3) of this section
     
  10. JoeB

    JoeB Light Load Member

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    Excellent point. Essentially tell dispatcher when given load whether there's the slightest concern about being on time for delivery. Likewise, keep dispatch updated while en-route of delays. This would include all factors, such as planning a (2 hour) visit along the way.

    Is this typical? Neither you nor I have enough posts to send PM; would be interested in where you've worked.
     
  11. outerspacehillbilly

    outerspacehillbilly "Instigator of the Legend"

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    Like I said those that don't know what they are talking about should not give advice. You shopuld also read the entire thing I have taken the liberty of highlighting it for you since you looked right at it and still didn't figuire it out. If you have been logging just random combinations as you say and have never had any problems you have just been lucky to not get your log book checked because any DOT or state trooper would shut your ### down in a heartbeat for logging as you say you have.

    Also from the fmcsa.dot.gov website homepage fro rules and regulations
    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/topics/hos/index.htm

    Now lets compare to what I told you originally :yes2557:


    NEXT! :biggrin_25517:
     
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